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Re: "health" of a Mother
Reply #10 - Oct 18^th, 2008, 8:46pm

Quote from MonsterMan the Sheepdog on Oct 18^th, 2008, 4:38am:

What is this "prove it" that you are talking about?

There is none. I do ask for clarification on a statement she attributes to McCain but considering this is a small and inconsequential part of the discussion at hand I believe she is using it as an excuse to run and hide.

Quote from MonsterMan the Sheepdog on Oct 18^th, 2008, 4:38am:

It doesn't matter what the alleged standard is either. If you have actual facts to back up what you say then that is all you need.

Instead, like usual, when confronted with an actual logical argument you run away.

Those that stand on the side of the argument against human rights generally do not like being exposed to the bedrock reality of what their position really means. When you wipe away the code words and touching emotional arguments people like LL still have to face the facts that "abortion" is nothing more than the premeditated killing of live humans. A hard reality to come to terms with considering that a lot of leftist ideology is buffeted with emotional arguments against this very thing.

This creates an interesting situation where the proud slogan-chanting leftist must come to grips with denying the most defenseless section of humanity with their most fundamental right while at the same time trying to convince themselves they are a defender of rights of others. A false image that is shattered when it meets the slightest resistance.

No leftist wants to hear they are the real abusers and users in society when so much of their life is built up around pretending to be the opposite. Much easier to run away and hide.

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Re: "health" of a Mother
Reply #11 - Oct 19^th, 2008, 3:03am

Quote from Duncan_Pa on Oct 18^th, 2008, 8:46pm:

Those that stand on the side of the argument against human rights generally do not like being exposed to the bedrock reality of what their position really means. When you wipe away the code words and touching emotional arguments people like LL still have to face the facts that "abortion" is nothing more than the premeditated killing of live humans. A hard reality to come to terms with considering that a lot of leftist ideology is buffeted with emotional arguments against this very thing.

This creates an interesting situation where the proud slogan-chanting leftist must come to grips with denying the most defenseless section of humanity with their most fundamental right while at the same time trying to convince themselves they are a defender of rights of others. A false image that is shattered when it meets the slightest resistance.

No leftist wants to hear they are the real abusers and users in society when so much of their life is built up around pretending to be the opposite. Much easier to run away and hide.

I agree.

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Re: "health" of a Mother
Reply #12 - Oct 20^th, 2008, 8:26am

Quote from LadyLawyerII on Oct 16^th, 2008, 1:16pm:

As I have said over and over, the health of the mother is not taken very seriously by the right to life group. I have been assured this is not the case; yet, John McCain called this part of the extreme fringe of pro-choice ideas. So, the "health" of the mother is an extreme reason? So, there is no real way to come together, if even the mother's health is considered extreme. (We already know that abortion involving rape and incest should be regulated by the govt. according to Sarah Palin)

that's an interesting reading. i took it as the health of the mother is an exceptional reason - a case in which abortion could be allowed. in other words, if it came down to the life of the mother or the life of the child, the life of the mother could be saved.
this is an extreme reason because it's so rarely the case.

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Re: "health" of a Mother
Reply #13 - Oct 20^th, 2008, 11:44am

Here's the quote LL was referring to..

"Just again, the example of the eloquence of Sen. Obama. He's 'health for the mother.' You know, that's been stretched by the pro-abortion movement in America to mean almost anything. That's the extreme pro-abortion position, quote, 'health.'" -John McCain during the presidential debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJgzZb6CILI

Love those air quotes, McCain.

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Re: "health" of a Mother
Reply #14 - Oct 20^th, 2008, 1:43pm

Exactly.

I was waiting for LadyLawyer to provide that quote because it proved exactly what I said.

That McCain, IN CONTEXT, said that the way the pro-choice crowd uses "health" it could mean almost anything. In that regard it is an extreme position.

Of course, Ladylawyer is less than intellectually honest and ran away from the discussion rather than face the facts.

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Duncan_Pa LNF Moderator LNF Bunker Doofus Posts: 4222	Re: "health" of a Mother Reply #15 - Oct 20^th, 2008, 9:26pm Using that line of reasoning a pregnant mother could use morning sickness as an excuse to kill her child.
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MonsterMan the Sheepdog Hardhat LNF Bunker Praise Jesus, my Lord and Savior. Posts: 5400 Gender:	Re: "health" of a Mother Reply #16 - Oct 21^st, 2008, 3:34am Quote from Duncan_Pa on Oct 20^th, 2008, 9:26pm: Using that line of reasoning a pregnant mother could use morning sickness as an excuse to kill her child. Yep. That is exactly what the extremists on the pro-choice side want.
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amberdiann LNF Senior Staffer Posts: 192 Gender:	Re: "health" of a Mother Reply #17 - Oct 21^st, 2008, 10:58pm Quote from MonsterMan the Sheepdog on Oct 21^st, 2008, 3:34am: Yep. That is exactly what the extremists on the pro-choice side want. That's a bold statement. Do you have any proof of that point of view or are you just spewing your unrealistic opinions? ...Like you asked of LL, "...link, quote?"
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Re: "health" of a Mother
Reply #18 - Oct 22^nd, 2008, 5:11pm

Quote from amberdiann on Oct 21^st, 2008, 10:58pm:

That's a bold statement.

That is probably why MM said it was the extremist side of the pro-abortion movement.

Well, here is a fairly objective (for the MSM, meaning it is a blatant pro-abortion propaganda piece) expose on the Abortion on Demand community. It actually so one sided and derogatory towards people with pro-life attitudes that it is funny. But here it is anyway:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,903771-1,00.html

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mbrace5 LNF Intern3 LIFE! Posts: 4	Re: "health" of a Mother Reply #19 - Jan 31^st, 2010, 10:16pm I think if you will look the health of the mother is listed as less than 2 percent of the reasons for abortion. What about the other 98 percent?
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