Quote from Mojo Hussein Jojo on Jan 29^th, 2009, 1:59pm:

 
As with most people, like you, who support a womans right to choose, you base it on arguments which are contradictory.
 
You then claim that you personally don't like abortion.
 
I am simply trying to figure out these contradictions.
 
And as with most people I point them out to, you choose to end the discussion.
 
I understand though.  If I held your odd and contradictory stance on such an issue I wouldn't want to try to explain it either.
 
Whatever makes you feel good!  
 
Peace.

Quote from Mojo Hussein Jojo on Jan 29^th, 2009, 2:15pm:

 
I understand that.
 
You are correct, we draw the line at different points.
 
However, how can you still use the generic arguments about women having a right to their body when you don't believe they do past a certain point?
 
Either a woman has a right to her body or she doesn't.  You try to have your cake and eat it too with that argument.  If you truly believe a woman has a right to her body then she has that right at the end of the 3rd trimester just as much as she does at the start of the 1st trimester.
 
 

Quote from MonsterMan the Sheepdog on Jan 29^th, 2009, 2:25pm:

 
She never loses her right to sovereignty. The developing child's right to life merely outweighs it after it's developed to the point of being autonomous and independent. When it's still entirely dependent upon the mother for survival, her right to sovereignty over her own body outweighs it's right to life.
 
I think this reconciles the opposing "rights" as reasonably as can be done.
 
If the developing child's "right to life" ALWAYS outweighs the woman's "right to sovereignty", then she has no right.
 
If the woman's "right to sovereignty" ALWAYS outweighs the developing child's "right to life", then it has no right.
 
I don't expect you to agree, but can you see what I'm saying ?

Quote from The_Black_Prince on Jan 29^th, 2009, 12:34pm:

 
 
Here is just one of your inane posts in which you lied about Conservatives:
 
Okay.  True story.  
 
"So you are "pro life". But you really don't care about them once they are born.  My child ws born with a life threatening illness...meaning he has something that is pre-existing.  Now, I have made very good money in the past.  But, I too, came down with something disabling.  I only have so much savings and income.  My insurance covers me.  I am 49.  I have too much to have him covered by medicaid.  I can exhaust all my money keeping me alive....because he does need his mother alive...I am assuming you would agree with that.  But, the theory of conservatives is that he should just die....because I was irresponsible enough to acquire a disease that took away my livelihood and his insurance.
 
I find that dilemma amusing when you guys talk about being pro life. You really wouldn't care if he died just so he died now, rather than in the uterus. "
 
I'm not going to drag all of your lies to the forefront, nor am I going to repeat my contentions to your stupidity.
 
However, you once again have failed to answer the question put forth to you.
 
Cite one law, or even one example, of where the choice for life is between that of the babe, or the mother, where any Conservative has said that the mother should not have an abortion, or the right to choose if she should live, or the babe should live.
 
Do you think you can do that?

Quote from MonsterMan the Sheepdog on Jan 29^th, 2009, 2:05pm:

 
I'm not sure we were reading the same back-and-forth but Mojo's point was very clear.  
 
Moreover, few are they who actually "like" abortions.  An abortion one of the toughest decisions a woman will make in her lifetime. Pro-life or pro-choice we're on the same side as neither of us "like" abortions.
 
I firmly believe abortions will be drastically reduced when we can work together to solve poverty, increase education, and reduce irresponsibility.  However, legal or not, abortions will never go away completely.