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Anti Abortion and Pro Death Penalty
Jan 22^nd, 2010, 8:10am

One of the challenges with which I've been confronted with some frequency is this: "You say that life is sacred, and so abortion is wrong. But then, from the other side of your mouth, you say that we should kill murderers. Aren't you being hypocritical?"

My response to this is: "There's no hypocrisy here. I would support the death penalty for any fetus convicted of premeditated murder."

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Re: Anti Abortion and Pro Death Penalty
Reply #1 - Jan 22^nd, 2010, 9:33am

Quote from swdowning on Jan 22^nd, 2010, 8:10am:

One of the challenges with which I've been confronted with some frequency is this: "You say that life is sacred, and so abortion is wrong. But then, from the other side of your mouth, you say that we should kill murderers. Aren't you being hypocritical?"

My response to this is: "There's no hypocrisy here. I would support the death penalty for any fetus convicted of premeditated murder."

I was just lucky that my gun was empty when I was born, or that doctor would never slap another behind again.
Aside from that, I was an innocent baby, with designs on Global Rule.

If libs could see into the future, they would see the great minds they so prematurely snuffed out, the good they would have brought.
Hell, one might have found a cure for liberalism.

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Re: Anti Abortion and Pro Death Penalty
Reply #2 - Jan 22^nd, 2010, 8:49pm

Quote from swdowning on Jan 22^nd, 2010, 8:10am:

One of the challenges with which I've been confronted with some frequency is this: "You say that life is sacred, and so abortion is wrong. But then, from the other side of your mouth, you say that we should kill murderers. Aren't you being hypocritical?"

My response to this is: "There's no hypocrisy here. I would support the death penalty for any fetus convicted of premeditated murder."

Since 1973, 139 death row inmates in America have either had their charges dismissed on further review or were acquitted on retrial forced by shoddy evidence or lack of due process. No one knows how many innocent ones were executed.

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Re: Anti Abortion and Pro Death Penalty
Reply #3 - Jan 22^nd, 2010, 9:24pm

Quote from Running Deer on Jan 22^nd, 2010, 8:49pm:

Since 1973, 139 death row inmates in America have either had their charges dismissed on further review or were acquitted on retrial forced by shoddy evidence or lack of due process. No one knows how many innocent ones were executed.

Yes, that is too bad. Maybe some day the civil rights of the unborn will recognized at the same level of convicted murderers. Because it is easy to know the exact number of innocent unborn children that have been slaughtered through abortion.

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Duncan_Pa LNF Moderator LNF Bunker Doofus Posts: 4222	Re: Anti Abortion and Pro Death Penalty Reply #4 - Jan 22^nd, 2010, 9:34pm Quote from swdowning on Jan 22^nd, 2010, 8:10am: There's no hypocrisy here. Your joke aside, it is very important to be clear about the statement you are making. Hypocrisy abounds in many of the arguments in support of killing the unborn.
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Re: Anti Abortion and Pro Death Penalty
Reply #5 - Jan 25^th, 2010, 9:32pm

Quote from Duncan_Pa on Jan 22^nd, 2010, 9:24pm:

Yes, that is too bad. Maybe some day the civil rights of the unborn will recognized at the same level of convicted murderers. Because it is easy to know the exact number of innocent unborn children that have been slaughtered through abortion.

So, if you're worried about protecting the innocent, you're probably anti-death penalty, right?

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Re: Anti Abortion and Pro Death Penalty
Reply #6 - Jan 25^th, 2010, 10:29pm

Quote from Running Deer on Jan 25^th, 2010, 9:32pm:

So, if you're worried about protecting the innocent, you're probably anti-death penalty, right?

That's a stretch, even for you.
Children are totally innocent, death row inmates have a history of violence.
This is a risk I'm willing to take that risk, most of these scum are recidivist.
Let them free, and you can bet they will harm someone one way or another.

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Re: Anti Abortion and Pro Death Penalty
Reply #7 - Jan 27^th, 2010, 9:32pm

Quote from Solar Rightwing Extremist on Jan 25^th, 2010, 10:29pm:

That's a stretch, even for you.
Children are totally innocent, death row inmates have a history of violence.

Fetuses are neither innocent nor guilty. Innocence & guilt require moral faculty. Fetuses lack it.

Most (albeit not all) death row inmates have moral faculty; they can be innocent or guilty. Of course, death row inmates have a history of violence only if they've been correctly convicted of their crimes. The trouble is that so many were not. If you're worried about killing the innocent, and a great many death row inmates have been freed because of false convictions, it stands to reason you would oppose the death penalty. After all, what could be more galling than the state killing an innocent person, even on accident?

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This is a risk I'm willing to take that risk

So brave! lol

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"If cousins, I would much prefer to marry one my Neanderthal relatives than a screeching chimpanzee which might bite my face off as has happened recently. Of course, chimps are not even a human species so procreation between humans and chimps is out of the question." - joe_christian, on sex

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Re: Anti Abortion and Pro Death Penalty
Reply #8 - Jan 27^th, 2010, 11:53pm

Quote from Running Deer on Jan 25^th, 2010, 9:32pm:

So, if you're worried about protecting the innocent, you're probably anti-death penalty, right?

No, "protecting the innocent" has sentiments of grandiose delusion that I want no part of. A common failure of many on the left (edit add) and right. I am, however, against the death penalty.

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Re: Anti Abortion and Pro Death Penalty
Reply #9 - Jan 28^th, 2010, 12:05am

Quote from Running Deer on Jan 27^th, 2010, 9:32pm:

Fetuses are neither innocent nor guilty. Innocence & guilt require moral faculty. Fetuses lack it.

Not according to Christian belief. Your statement is only "true" if you believe time is strictly linear and the soul (if your faith even considers such a thing (which I assume you do since you mention moral faculty)) does not become associated with the human body until some time after your definition of fetus no longer applies. Your justification for killing the unborn from this limited point of view is very narrow minded.

Quote from Running Deer on Jan 27^th, 2010, 9:32pm:

Of course, death row inmates have a history of violence only if they've been correctly convicted of their crimes.

A correct legal pronouncement of guilt is not the only time one can have a history of violence.

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