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Reply #20 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 9:27pm
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None of it makes sense and flies in the face of Scripture.


If it were so cut-and-dry there wouldn't be centuries of debate over atonement theories.

For example, from the article,

"One of the reasons the debate becomes so heated, Boersma suggested, is the many implications of atonement theories.

For instance, if God is our example and we believe God punished his innocent son, then this could justify violence and abusive human structures.

"Divine child abuse" could justify human child abuse, and God's use of violent punishment could support just war theories.

This is one reason 'peace churches' such as the Mennonites are suspicious of the penal substitutionary theory. "
  

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Reply #21 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 9:31pm
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Ah...found something on wikipedia:

1.  "The first metaphor, epitomised by the "ransom to Satan" theory, was used by the fourth-century theologian Gregory of Nyssa based on verses such as Mark 10:45 – "the Son of Man came … to give his life as a ransom for the many". In this metaphor Jesus liberates mankind from slavery to Satan and thus death by giving his own life as a ransom."

2.  "The second metaphor, used by the eleventh century theologian Anselm, is called the "satisfaction" theory. In this picture mankind owes a debt not to Satan, but to sovereign God himself. A sovereign may well be able to forgive an insult or an injury in his private capacity, but because he is a sovereign he cannot if the state has been dishonoured. Anselm argued that the insult given to God is so great that only a perfect sacrifice could satisfy and Jesus, being both God and man, was this perfect sacrifice. A variation on this theory is the commonly held Protestant "penal substitution theory," which instead of considering sin as an affront to God’s honour, sees sin as the breaking of God’s moral law."

3.  "The third metaphor is that of healing, associated with Pierre Abélard in the eleventh century, and Paul Tillich in the twentieth. In this picture Jesus’ death on the cross demonstrates the extent of God’s love for us, and moved by this great act of love mankind responds and is transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atonement
  

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Reply #22 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 9:41pm
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If it were so cut-and-dry there wouldn't be centuries of debate over atonement theories.

For example, from the article,

"One of the reasons the debate becomes so heated, Boersma suggested, is the many implications of atonement theories.

For instance, if God is our example and we believe God punished his innocent son, then this could justify violence and abusive human structures.

"Divine child abuse" could justify human child abuse, and God's use of violent punishment could support just war theories.

This is one reason 'peace churches' such as the Mennonites are suspicious of the penal substitutionary theory. "


My opinion, but I do believe all that is nothing but foolishness.
  
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Reply #23 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 11:05pm
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My opinion, but I do believe all that is nothing but foolishness.



Did you read it? I've heard so many that have and enjoyed it. Even though fiction.
  

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Reply #24 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 11:20pm
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HarleyWoman wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 11:05pm:
Did you read it? I've heard so many that have and enjoyed it. Even though fiction.


I read it back in September last year.  It was interesting...once I wrapped my mind around God being portrayed as a large, African American Woman.  The combination of the Trinity was a good visual for me.  I enjoyed the book.

As to the author - it is my understanding he wrote the book for his children and never originally intended for it to be published.
  
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Reply #25 - Apr 10th, 2009 at 9:28am
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As to the author - it is my understanding he wrote the book for his children and never originally intended for it to be published.


Yes, apparently that's true.
  

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Reply #26 - Apr 10th, 2009 at 11:47pm
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I read it back in September last year.  It was interesting...once I wrapped my mind around God being portrayed as a large, African American Woman.  The combination of the Trinity was a good visual for me.  I enjoyed the book.

As to the author - it is my understanding he wrote the book for his children and never originally intended for it to be published.



Same here..Two of my friends and I read it at the same time, then had a little book club meeting. Our first one, btw..We figured it was because he wasn't ready for a man figure, because of his own father and his anger to God. Like most books ( even the bible) many theories. I loved it after I got past that..Plus the trinity was also good for me as well..Nice to know someone else felt as I did..Smiley
Didn't realize it was for his children. Good to know.
  

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Reply #27 - Apr 11th, 2009 at 11:38am
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HarleyWoman wrote on Apr 10th, 2009 at 11:47pm:
Same here..Two of my friends and I read it at the same time, then had a little book club meeting. Our first one, btw..We figured it was because he wasn't ready for a man figure, because of his own father and his anger to God. Like most books ( even the bible) many theories. I loved it after I got past that..Plus the trinity was also good for me as well..Nice to know someone else felt as I did..Smiley
Didn't realize it was for his children. Good to know.

I was discussing it with a friend and we agree McKenzie was not ready to accept God as a man.  We also think there is something to the idea that as a woman God was taking care of things (like cooking) to show us that even in the little things God is there for us.  Possibly even something about "feeding" our souls.  Since you recently read it what is your thought on that theory.  As to the Holy Trinity what really hit home was although each are individuals they are also one.
  
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Reply #28 - Apr 13th, 2009 at 2:55pm
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Ah...found something on wikipedia:

1.  "The first metaphor, epitomised by the "ransom to Satan" theory, was used by the fourth-century theologian Gregory of Nyssa based on verses such as Mark 10:45 – "the Son of Man came … to give his life as a ransom for the many". In this metaphor Jesus liberates mankind from slavery to Satan and thus death by giving his own life as a ransom."

2.  "The second metaphor, used by the eleventh century theologian Anselm, is called the "satisfaction" theory. In this picture mankind owes a debt not to Satan, but to sovereign God himself. A sovereign may well be able to forgive an insult or an injury in his private capacity, but because he is a sovereign he cannot if the state has been dishonoured. Anselm argued that the insult given to God is so great that only a perfect sacrifice could satisfy and Jesus, being both God and man, was this perfect sacrifice. A variation on this theory is the commonly held Protestant "penal substitution theory," which instead of considering sin as an affront to God’s honour, sees sin as the breaking of God’s moral law."

3.  "The third metaphor is that of healing, associated with Pierre Abélard in the eleventh century, and Paul Tillich in the twentieth. In this picture Jesus’ death on the cross demonstrates the extent of God’s love for us, and moved by this great act of love mankind responds and is transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atonement


that all sounds good to me
  

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Reply #29 - Apr 13th, 2009 at 10:47pm
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My wife is finally reading it.
  

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