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Reply #10 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 8:13am
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I think Karl Marx was a little more radical than that...

just another cheap attempt at equating community organizer with communism.

now Ghandi... there was a community organizer.  interestingly, Ghandi reflected Jesus better than most do and most ever have.
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 2:31pm
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just another cheap attempt at equating community organizer with communism.

now Ghandi... there was a community organizer.  interestingly, Ghandi reflected Jesus better than most do and most ever have.


Well, minus the whole believing in God the Father part.... sure.
  

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Reply #12 - Nov 12th, 2008 at 12:52am
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Well, minus the whole believing in God the Father part.... sure.

clearly one doesn't need to believe in God in order to well exemplify Jesus' ideals.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 8:13pm
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just another cheap attempt at equating community organizer with communism.

now Ghandi... there was a community organizer.  interestingly, Ghandi reflected Jesus better than most do and most ever have.

And where is Ghandi now? In hell. Way to go, Ghandi.
  


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Reply #14 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 9:04pm
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Jasmine wrote on Nov 18th, 2008 at 8:13pm:
And where is Ghandi now? In hell. Way to go, Ghandi.



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Mahatma Gandhi is one of the most respected leaders of modern history. A Hindu, Ghandi nevertheless admired Jesus and often quoted from the Sermon on the Mount. Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Ghandi he asked him, "Mr. Ghandi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?"

Ghandi replied, "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Apparently Ghandi's rejection of Christianity grew out of an incident that happened when he was a young man practicing law in South Africa. He had become attracted to the Christian faith, had studied the Bible and the teachings of Jesus, and was seriously exploring becoming a Christian. And so he decided to attend a church service. As he came up the steps of the large church where he intended to go, a white South African elder of the church barred his way at the door. "Where do you think you're going, kaffir?" the man asked Ghandi in a belligerent tone of voice.

Ghandi replied, "I'd like to attend worship here."

The church elder snarled at him, "There's no room for kaffirs in this church. Get out of here or I'll have my assistants throw you down the steps."

From that moment, Ghandi said, he decided to adopt what good he found in Christianity, but would never again consider becoming a Christian if it meant being part of the church.

How we treat those others tells e people MORE about what we believe, and what followibng Jesus means to us than all tracts we pass out, or all the fine sermons we deliver.


http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/552.htm

  

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Re: Was Jesus a community organizer?
Reply #15 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 9:47pm
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So what? That doesn't change the fact that the oh-so-holy-Ghandi is in hell right now.
  


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Reply #16 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:45am
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clearly one doesn't need to believe in God in order to well exemplify Jesus' ideals.


I strongly disagree. Belief in God is at the core of many of the ideals of Jesus Christ.

You can't have complete trust in God (as Jesus taught - encouraging people to trust in God for everything, in the portion of the Bible which talks about God knowing every hair on our head) with out believing in God, clearly.

You can't have a mighty faith (as per the mustard seed parable) with out faith, clearly.

You can't return to "the father" as the parable son did, with out believing in God, clearly.

Secularizing Jesus is wrong-headed to the nth degree - Jesus frequently spoke of the importance of belief in God the Father, and we as Christians should must certainly do so as well. Obviously, folks who lack belief in God can not "exemplify" the ideals of Jesus Christ in this crucial area.

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Re: Was Jesus a community organizer?
Reply #17 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 7:40am
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Triple_R wrote on Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:45am:
I strongly disagree. Belief in God is at the core of many of the ideals of Jesus Christ.

You can't have complete trust in God (as Jesus taught - encouraging people to trust in God for everything, in the portion of the Bible which talks about God knowing every hair on our head) with out believing in God, clearly.

You can't have a mighty faith (as per the mustard seed parable) with out faith, clearly.

You can't return to "the father" as the parable son did, with out believing in God, clearly.

Secularizing Jesus is wrong-headed to the nth degree - Jesus frequently spoke of the importance of belief in God the Father, and we as Christians should must certainly do so as well. Obviously, folks who lack belief in God can not "exemplify" the ideals of Jesus Christ in this crucial area.



agreed:

there seems to be a world miss perception that Jesus Christ is some kind of philosopher of ideals. But He is the revelation of the Truth of God in man, to man.
  

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Re: Was Jesus a community organizer?
Reply #18 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 9:34am
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Triple_R wrote on Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:45am:
I strongly disagree. Belief in God is at the core of many of the ideals of Jesus Christ.

You can't have complete trust in God (as Jesus taught - encouraging people to trust in God for everything, in the portion of the Bible which talks about God knowing every hair on our head) with out believing in God, clearly.

You can't have a mighty faith (as per the mustard seed parable) with out faith, clearly.

You can't return to "the father" as the parable son did, with out believing in God, clearly.

Secularizing Jesus is wrong-headed to the nth degree - Jesus frequently spoke of the importance of belief in God the Father, and we as Christians should must certainly do so as well. Obviously, folks who lack belief in God can not "exemplify" the ideals of Jesus Christ in this crucial area.



How do you demonstrate "belief in God"?  And how does that demonstration contrast with Gandhi's actions?

I know a lot of people that say they believe in God, or believe in his existence, or whatever, but you might be hard pressed to find evidence of their belief in their actions.  So...
  

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Re: Was Jesus a community organizer?
Reply #19 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:03pm
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How do you demonstrate "belief in God"?  And how does that demonstration contrast with Gandhi's actions?


You demonstrate a belief in God through words and deeds - as you demonstrate any type of belief. First, your words must reflect that belief, and then your deeds (or actions) will determine just how seriously and consistently you take that belief. So, words are the first hurdle, and deeds/actions are the second hurdle.

A person who states that he or she does not believe in God, and/or that he or she is an atheist, has clearly demonstrated by his or her words that he or she lacks belief in God, and hence are completely unable to exemplify a very large portion of the ideals taught by Jesus Christ.

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I know a lot of people that say they believe in God, or believe in his existence, or whatever, but you might be hard pressed to find evidence of their belief in their actions.  So...


I'm not saying that everyone who claims a belief in God exemplifies the ideals of Jesus. I'm saying that if you claim the contrary, you are unable to exemplify a very large portion of the ideals of Jesus.
  
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