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Reply #40 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 9:10am
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I've heard that argument before. I don't buy it. We all know that rejecting Christ and His Holy Spirit untill death will condemn you. But this text deals with a specific inpardonable sin which one can commit
and go on living a long life with no hope of salvation. And that was blaspheming the Holy Spirit via attributing those works Christ to the power of Satan. Context is everthing, and the context here is clear.


In my posting in reply #22 I made no reference to blasphemy, and in my reply #27  I tried to explain or at least show that difference in what I was trying to say. So why are you trying to pick at a scab that is not there?
  

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Reply #41 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 9:29am
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Actually, it would be tough to support the idea that the present nation of Israel is under the covenant that God made with Israel at Sinai and reinforced at the Jordan and after the exile; especially given it's a mostly secular government and populated by a large number "non-practicing" Jews.

I'm not referring to that Israel but to the people of God.

Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.


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To what end?

To the glory of God.

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As far as the contract goes, yes. But does a Christian marriage require that?

Marriage is a contract.

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They don't determine relationship. If they ceased to exist, relationships still continue. Relationships still exist in utter anarchy.

They would have to be described as lawless and chaotic relationships then. Grin

  
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Reply #42 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 10:41am
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joe_christian wrote on Oct 30th, 2008 at 9:29am:
I'm not referring to that Israel but to the people of God.

Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.


So...not the nation under the Mosaic covenant.

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To the glory of God.


God demands our obedience for his glory?  Seems kind of petty.  Also seems out of character.
  

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Reply #43 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 8:29pm
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So...not the nation under the Mosaic covenant.

Any nation which covenants with God. God's people are an holy nation.

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God demands our obedience for his glory? Seems kind of petty. Also seems out of character.

He's a jealous God too. Smiley

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Reply #44 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 10:17pm
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joe_christian wrote on Oct 30th, 2008 at 8:29pm:
Any nation which covenants with God. God's people are an holy nation.


So are you talking about the state founded in 1948 called Israel or are you talking about the church?  If the nation of Israel, they are not under the Mosaic covenant.  If the church, it is not under the Mosaic covenant.

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And what do you think that means?  And how is it relevant?  Do you think it appears to be "out of character"?
  

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Reply #45 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 7:38am
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DPMartin wrote on Oct 30th, 2008 at 9:10am:
In my posting in reply #22 I made no reference to blasphemy, and in my reply #27 I tried to explain or at least show that difference in what I was trying to say. So why are you trying to pick at a scab that is not there?


No but it implied that text dealing with the only unforgivable sin and I thought it important
to give the text and true context of what the unforgivable sin is.
  

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Reply #46 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 8:48am
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So are you talking about the state founded in 1948 called Israel or are you talking about the church? If the nation of Israel, they are not under the Mosaic covenant. If the church, it is not under the Mosaic covenant.

Depends on whose law you are applying and whether one is qualified to judge according to that system of law and justice.



  
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Reply #47 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 8:50am
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No but it implied that text dealing with the only unforgivable sin and I thought it important
to give the text and true context of what the unforgivable sin is.


your right, I was not sure were you were come from. Thanks Smiley

Your posting made me realize that not even demons had the gall to blaspheme in the presence of God. Proven when they where in the presence of Jesus or His Apostles they confessed who He is, or they (His Apostles ) were.

It is the self-righteous religious ones like unto the pharisees that had the gall to not confess, and called Him otherwise.
  

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Reply #48 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 9:42am
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joe_christian wrote on Oct 31st, 2008 at 8:48am:
Depends on whose law you are applying and whether one is qualified to judge according to that system of law and justice.


No, it depends on what law you're talking about.  Since the Mosaic law applies to neither present-day Israel nor today's Church.
  

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Reply #49 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 9:41pm
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DPMartin wrote on Oct 31st, 2008 at 8:50am:
your right, I was not sure were you were come from. Thanks Smiley

Your posting made me realize that not even demons had the gall to blaspheme in the presence of God. Proven when they where in the presence of Jesus or His Apostles they confessed who He is, or they (His Apostles ) were.

It is the self-righteous religious ones like unto the pharisees that had the gall to not confess, and called Him otherwise.


Yep, the demons knew who Christ were and trembled. But some Pharisees blasphemed Christ and the Holy Ghost. The prophet
Isaiah predicted this :
Isaiah 65
1I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.





  

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