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Re: A Contemporary Picture of Forgiveness
Reply #10 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:06pm
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joe_christian wrote on Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:00pm:
Then you make the story irrelevent.


How so, precisely?  I wonder what you would think if they didn't report their attackers to the "authorities" (what authorities?)?  What would you tell this couple?

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It is always possible to tell one's story and to protest injustice.


Yes it is.  But that's not what you were talking about, was it?

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In this case God justifies lying as He did with Rahab and the Israelite spies.


Annnnnd...so it's not always necessary to report crime to the authorities?  I guess it depends what the crime is, doesn't it?  It depends who the authorities are, doesn't it?
  

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Re: A Contemporary Picture of Forgiveness
Reply #11 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:10pm
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"...judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!" - James 2:13

The word "judgment" here is the Greek word "Krisis" which is also translated "justice."  You know, you should really pick up your Bible and read it more, because you have just denied the word of the Lord.

Not at all since in the above quote mercy only triumphs over judgment in cases where someone has not been merciful.  

This is never the case with God, the Lord of Righteousness, Justice and Mercy . Smiley

  
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Re: A Contemporary Picture of Forgiveness
Reply #12 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:16pm
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joe_christian wrote on Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:10pm:
Not at all since in the above quote mercy only triumphs over judgment in cases where someone has not been merciful.  

This is never the case with God, the Lord of Righteousness, Justice and Mercy . Smiley



That's an odd interpretation... Undecided

You've basically twisted the meaning of the verse to say its opposite.
  

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Reply #13 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:25pm
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How so, precisely?  I wonder what you would think if they didn't report their attackers to the "authorities" (what authorities?)?  What would you tell this couple?

Yes it is.  But that's not what you were talking about, was it?

Annnnnd...so it's not always necessary to report crime to the authorities?  I guess it depends what the crime is, doesn't it?  It depends who the authorities are, doesn't it?

Unfortunately, we did not get the whole story and do not know if the couple reported the crime to any authorities other than some Christian news agency which picked up the story and decided to feature it as a wonderful example of Christian forgiveness.

As Christians they are obligated to report the crime to the local authorities.

If there are no representatives of law and order in their area, they are entitled to establish God's system of law and order in that area and to appoint officers of the law to hunt down their assailants and bring them to God's justice.

  
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Re: A Contemporary Picture of Forgiveness
Reply #14 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 8:02am
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The  story says that 5 people were arrested in connection with this. The crime was reported
and hopefully some justice will be meted out. These awful things happen everyday. But that
level of love, forgiveness and mercy are rare.
  

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Reply #15 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 8:53am
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That's an odd interpretation... Undecided

You've basically twisted the meaning of the verse to say its opposite.

The verse basically means the opposite of your interpretation of it.  Smiley

God's judgment is always merciful since He is the Lord of Mercy.

Those who judge with God's judgment are bound to be merciful since it is not our judgment but the Lord's.

That is another nice thing about biblical law.  We never penalize anyone for breaking the law.  God does.

After all, He's the judge - not we.

  
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Reply #16 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 9:07am
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The  story says that 5 people were arrested in connection with this. The crime was reported and hopefully some justice will be meted out.

Hopefully all 5 of the rapists will be executed in accordance with God's law.

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These awful things happen everyday. But that level of love, forgiveness and mercy are rare.

These awful things happen every day when rapists and murderers are forgiven and set free instead of being condemned to death in accordance with God's law.

Forgiveness without retribution, restitution and repentance is an abomination before God.

  
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Reply #17 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 11:31am
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joe_christian wrote on Nov 1st, 2008 at 8:53am:
The verse basically means the opposite of your interpretation of it.  Smiley

God's judgment is always merciful since He is the Lord of Mercy.

Those who judge with God's judgment are bound to be merciful since it is not our judgment but the Lord's.

That is another nice thing about biblical law.  We never penalize anyone for breaking the law.  God does.

After all, He's the judge - not we.



Judgment and mercy are always in tension.  If mercy is "built into law" it's no longer mercy; it's concession.

Mercy is forgiving the offense when it's not deserved.

You have "made it read" like "judgment triumphs over mercy" instead of "mercy triumphs over judgment."  That's twisted and perverted.
  

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Re: A Contemporary Picture of Forgiveness
Reply #18 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 11:32am
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joe_christian wrote on Nov 1st, 2008 at 9:07am:
Hopefully all 5 of the rapists will be executed in accordance with God's law.

These awful things happen every day when rapists and murderers are forgiven and set free instead of being condemned to death in accordance with God's law.

Forgiveness without retribution, restitution and repentance is an abomination before God.



So...no mercy.
  

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Re: A Contemporary Picture of Forgiveness
Reply #19 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 6:45pm
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Judgment and mercy are always in tension.  If mercy is "built into law" it's no longer mercy; it's concession.

Mercy is forgiving the offense when it's not deserved.

You have "made it read" like "judgment triumphs over mercy" instead of "mercy triumphs over judgment."  That's twisted and perverted.

Only in terms of your judgment.

Whose mercy and judgment are we talking about here?

God's mercy may triumph over human judgment but I don't think that undeserved mercy shown by humans triumphs over God's judgment.

Who is stumped now?

  
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