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Re: Can Obama call himself a Christian?
Reply #10 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:11pm
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I wouldn't go so far as to call him a deist. But I would put him in the same category as a holiday Christian one who goes to church on Christmas and Easter. He said he went every Sunday, but I don't believe he heard much when he went for the 11am service.

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I'll point out a few of the statements you've provided which lead me to believe he's truly a deist.

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OBAMA: Right. Jesus is an historical figure for me, and heís also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And heís also a wonderful teacher. I think itís important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

A bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith. Jesus described as a "wonderful teacher". Reaching for "something higher." All keywords of a belief in something larger than ourselves, without claiming direct truth of the Bible.

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OBAMA: I think itís the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if Iím true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when Iím not true to it, itís its own punishment

Being true to ones self is tantamount to being true to ones faith is a belief in the power the Creator has given to humans. Christian teaching, if I'm not mistaken, displaces being true to self with being servant to the Almighty. His will is all.

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OBAMA: What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I donít presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing

Again we see the idea that, being the best human we can be will grant us rewards either here or in the afterlife. There's also no solid admission of an afterlife which is key to Christian teachings.

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I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people

A deistic belief based on the idea that man has merely applied whatever logic we could, through religion, to a force that we cannot truly hope to comprehend. He states basically that all religions are right and wrong to one degree or another.

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Yeah, although I don't, I retain from my childhood and my experiences growing up a suspicion of dogma. And I'm not somebody who is always comfortable with language that implies I've got a monopoly on the truth, or that my faith is automatically transferable to others.

Suspicion of dogma and a concious decision to refrain from the belief that the belief system he follows is the "one true way". Both show he's lacking in the hardcore faith that I've seen demonstrated in people professing to be Christians.

That's good for now. Please keep in mind I'm not saying that Obama's beliefs are wrong. In fact I myself share many of the same sentiments. I'm simply saying that he's not truly a Christian, and I base that on my understanding of what it really means to be Christian and follow the teachings of the Bible.
  

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Re: Can Obama call himself a Christian?
Reply #11 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:16pm
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Jasmine wrote on Nov 20th, 2008 at 6:38pm:
Obama is one of the millions of people who call themselves "Christians," yet have no idea what it even means to be a Christian. Contrary to popular belief, America isn't 80 percent Christian. Far from it. If that were the case, America wouldn't be in the immoral mess it is in today.



I agree, that's why the concept of "moral majority" was ridiculous IMHO.
  

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Re: Can Obama call himself a Christian?
Reply #12 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:18pm
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Of course he can. You don't have to be a literalist to be a Christian. Most aren't.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:19pm
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I thought he was his own religion.

That's what Thomas Jefferson said of himself. "You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know." (Letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819.) His sentiment is cemented even earlier in an 1789 letter to Francis Hopkins, written while Jefferson was still Minister to France, in which he wrote, "I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent." All in all being a sect unto himself worked out rather well in Jefferson's case.
  
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Re: Can Obama call himself a Christian?
Reply #14 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:20pm
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Well judging by his church he's a black seperatist posing as a Christian who follows a Pastor that looks like MC Hammer's daddy.
  

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Jasmine wrote on Nov 20th, 2008 at 6:32pm:
Clearly, Obama isn't a Christian.

On the contrary he is quite obviously a liberal Christian, i.e. a non-fundamentalist Christian.
  
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Re: Can Obama call himself a Christian?
Reply #16 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:21pm
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Of course he can. You don't have to be a literalist to be a Christian. Most aren't.

In order to be a Christian, you have to accept Jesus as the one true Son of God, and your Lord and Savior. Clearly, Obama hasn't done that. Just as clearly, he hasn't even picked up a Bible and bothered to read God's Word. He doesn't think "his" God would condemn 4/5 of the world to hell? He doesn't even realize that he's part of that doomed majority.
  


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Re: Can Obama call himself a Christian?
Reply #17 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:22pm
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On the contrary he is quite obviously a liberal Christian, i.e. a non-fundamentalist Christian.

There's no such thing as a "liberal Christian."
  


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Reply #18 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:23pm
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Jasmine wrote on Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:21pm:
In order to be a Christian, you have to accept Jesus as the one true Son of God, and your Lord and Savior. Clearly, Obama hasn't done that. Just as clearly, he hasn't even picked up a Bible and bothered to read God's Word. He doesn't think "his" God would condemn 4/5 of the world to hell? He doesn't even realize that he's part of that doomed majority.


Only to fundamentalists. And he isn't one. Thankfully.
  
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Re: Can Obama call himself a Christian?
Reply #19 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:23pm
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Jasmine wrote on Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:22pm:
There's no such thing as a "liberal Christian."

Right. Not only does Obama support abortion but partial birth abortion.
He's no christian.
  

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