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I hate them with a perfect hatred!
Dec 5th, 2008 at 11:08pm
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We Christians know that God is love. In other words he has a perfect and imcomprehensible love. But
there are some (not many) texts which seem to insinuate that He can hate other persons. Is sin just
some mysterious force that he hates while loving the infected party. We know He is capable of anger
and wrath. What make you of this text. I think it's Messianic.


Psalms 139:32 (I included different English translations).

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New American Standard Bible (©1995)
I hate them with the utmost hatred; They have become my enemies.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I hate them with all my heart. They have become my enemies.

King James Bible
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

American King James Version
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them my enemies.

American Standard Version
I hate them with perfect hatred: They are become mine enemies.

Bible in Basic English
My hate for them is complete; my thoughts of them are as if they were making war on me.[/
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Re: I hate them with a perfect hatred!
Reply #1 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 11:49pm
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We Christians know that God is love. In other words he has a perfect and imcomprehensible love. But
there are some (not many) texts which seem to insinuate that He can hate other persons. Is sin just
some mysterious force that he hates while loving the infected party. We know He is capable of anger
and wrath. What make you of this text. I think it's Messianic.


Psalms 139:32 (I included different English translations).

 
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
I hate them with the utmost hatred; They have become my enemies.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I hate them with all my heart. They have become my enemies.

King James Bible
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

American King James Version
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them my enemies.

American Standard Version
I hate them with perfect hatred: They are become mine enemies.

Bible in Basic English
My hate for them is complete; my thoughts of them are as if they were making war on me.[/
quote]

Hi fair-minded, do you mean Ps 139:22?
David wrote this psalm and he was speaking of those who hated God, he considered them his enemies. I don't see anything messanic about it, it just shows the love that David had for God and his recognition of God's holiness.
  

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So do you think he was wrong in hating the enemies of God with a complete and perfect hatred?
  

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So do you think he was wrong in hating the enemies of God with a complete and perfect hatred?

No, because a complete and perfect hatred would be a hatred against the evil deeds, not the person. David hates their intent, their motives and their actions. He has no desire to be part of their evil schemes. He hates sin. So much so that he asks God to search his heart and to reveal to him if there is any thing within himself that offends God.

Isn't it true that we hate the evil deeds done today? And we, like David, consider the evil doers as enemies of God.

I hate the things that I do which are not pleasing to God. Just as Paul said, "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." David was called a man after God's heart. May we all be like David, even in our weaknesses we strive to please and honor God in all we do. David understood that  the closer we get to God, the more we recognize sin and hate it.
  

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sister_in_Jesus wrote on Dec 6th, 2008 at 1:54pm:
No, because a complete and perfect hatred would be a hatred against the evil deeds, not the person. David hates their intent, their motives and their actions. He has no desire to be part of their evil schemes. He hates sin. So much so that he asks God to search his heart and to reveal to him if there is any thing within himself that offends God.

Isn't it true that we hate the evil deeds done today? And we, like David, consider the evil doers as enemies of God.

I hate the things that I do which are not pleasing to God. Just as Paul said, "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." David was called a man after God's heart. May we all be like David, even in our weaknesses we strive to please and honor God in all we do. David understood that  the closer we get to God, the more we recognize sin and hate it.


David said he hated them, not just their actions. He fought them fiercely and killed many of them. He cut of Goliath's head because he dared blaspheme the people of God.
  

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sister_in_Jesus wrote on Dec 6th, 2008 at 1:54pm:
No, because a complete and perfect hatred would be a hatred against the evil deeds, not the person. David hates their intent, their motives and their actions. He has no desire to be part of their evil schemes. He hates sin. So much so that he asks God to search his heart and to reveal to him if there is any thing within himself that offends God.

Isn't it true that we hate the evil deeds done today? And we, like David, consider the evil doers as enemies of God.

I hate the things that I do which are not pleasing to God. Just as Paul said, "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." David was called a man after God's heart. May we all be like David, even in our weaknesses we strive to please and honor God in all we do. David understood that  the closer we get to God, the more we recognize sin and hate it.

yep.   Cool
  
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Psalm 31:6 I hate those who cling to worthless idols; I trust in the LORD.

Psalm 139:21 Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD,
      and abhor those who rise up against you?
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 9:29pm
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Psalm 31:6 I hate those who cling to worthless idols; I trust in the LORD.

Psalm 139:21 Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD,
      and abhor those who rise up against you?

This thread opens up the possibilty that Christians can love and hate at the same time.

Jesus told us to BLESS THOSE WHO CURSE YOU, DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO HATE YOU, AND PRAY FOR THOSE WHO SPITEFULLY USE YOU AND PERSECUTE YOU but He never said that we should not hate those who hate God.

http://www.jesusone.com/truths/overcomingevil.htm

  
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Reply #8 - Dec 7th, 2008 at 12:19am
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Psalm 31:6 I hate those who cling to worthless idols; I trust in the LORD.

Psalm 139:21 Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD,
      and abhor those who rise up against you?


But this is the Psalmist talking; not God.  How do you infer that God hates because the writer of this Psalm hates?
  

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Reply #9 - Dec 7th, 2008 at 7:49am
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But this is the Psalmist talking; not God.  How do you infer that God hates because the writer of this Psalm hates?


Seven things which God hates are listed in Proverbs 6:17-19

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg2106.htm
  
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