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Dec 30th, 2008 at 11:24pm
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I have a serious question for you as you seem to be well versed on the bible and would like your opinion please.I have no pastor to ask this as i do not attend church because i am hearing impaired.
I do not claim to have the answers but have tried to understand as much as i could about the bible.Even God said no one would understand many things written there until the time for it to be revealed,as i am sure you are aware.
I have always wondered as God said he does not favor any one yet claims the jews as his chosen people.So i have always wondered if his meaning was to choose the Jews to full fill phrophecy as they sure have IMHO.
Many people talk about the countradictions sp? in the bible but i do not see them after giving it lots of thought.Your thoughs please.
BTW,if it is against rules to ask questions here please delete this as i am sure you can.
Thanks in advnce.
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 30th, 2008 at 11:31pm
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I have a serious question for you as you seem to be well versed on the bible and would like your opinion please.I have no pastor to ask this as i do not attend church because i am hearing impaired.
I do not claim to have the answers but have tried to understand as much as i could about the bible.Even God said no one would understand many things written there until the time for it to be revealed,as i am sure you are aware.
I have always wondered as God said he does not favor any one yet claims the jews as his chosen people.So i have always wondered if his meaning was to choose the Jews to full fill phrophecy as they sure have IMHO.
Many people talk about the countradictions sp? in the bible but i do not see them after giving it lots of thought.Your thoughs please.
BTW,if it is against rules to ask questions here please delete this as i am sure you can.
Thanks in advnce.


God did not arbitrarily "choose the Jews."  It goes back to Abraham.  Abraham obeyed God in faith.  It was because of this faith that God promised Abraham descendants and that Abraham's descendants would be his people.  So it wasn't an "after the fact choice" but a "before they even existed choice."

Even from the beginning, though, it was God's intention to bless all people through Abraham's descendants, which becomes clearer in the New Testament.

Does that answer your question?

Also, there are apparent contradictions in the Bible, but not necessarily the ones that people talk about that are usually pretty easily resolvable.
  

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Reply #2 - Dec 30th, 2008 at 11:39pm
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God did not arbitrarily "choose the Jews."  It goes back to Abraham.  Abraham obeyed God in faith.  It was because of this faith that God promised Abraham descendants and that Abraham's descendants would be his people.  So it wasn't an "after the fact choice" but a "before they even existed choice."

Even from the beginning, though, it was God's intention to bless all people through Abraham's descendants, which becomes clearer in the New Testament.

Does that answer your question?

Also, there are apparent contradictions in the Bible, but not necessarily the ones that people talk about that are usually pretty easily resolvable.

Thanks MFA.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 31st, 2008 at 6:58pm
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God did not arbitrarily "choose the Jews."  It goes back to Abraham.  Abraham obeyed God in faith.  It was because of this faith that God promised Abraham descendants and that Abraham's descendants would be his people.  So it wasn't an "after the fact choice" but a "before they even existed choice."

Even from the beginning, though, it was God's intention to bless all people through Abraham's descendants, which becomes clearer in the New Testament.

Does that answer your question?

Also, there are apparent contradictions in the Bible, but not necessarily the ones that people talk about that are usually pretty easily resolvable.


I don't totally agree. (surprise surprise  Smiley)

I agree God does not do anything willy nilly or arbitrarily. Everything He does is for His glory and
purpose. But God did not focus on or choose Abraham because of anything special in Abraham.
God wasn't waiting around for the right person (I've heard sermons like that before). He chose,
blessed Abraham. The complete package, faith etc.
As far as the Jews are concerned what greater privilege and fulfilling of the promises( blessing the
whole world through them) than having the Messiah come through them.

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For all the promises of God in Him are yeah(yes)


The gospel came to them first as promised. The great apostles of the Church and those that
got to sit at the feet of Christ were Jews. And Christ will forever be the risen savior, the God/Christ/Man.
And specifically the God/Christ/Jewish Man.  Wow! What more can you ask for!  Wink
  

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Reply #5 - Dec 31st, 2008 at 7:28pm
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I don't totally agree. (surprise surprise  Smiley)

I agree God does not do anything willy nilly or arbitrarily. Everything He does is for His glory and
purpose. But God did not focus on or choose Abraham because of anything special in Abraham.
God wasn't waiting around for the right person (I've heard sermons like that before). He chose,
blessed Abraham. The complete package, faith etc.
As far as the Jews are concerned what greater privilege and fulfilling of the promises( blessing the
whole world through them) than having the Messiah come through them.

The gospel came to them first as promised. The great apostles of the Church and those that
got to sit at the feet of Christ were Jews. And Christ will forever be the risen savior, the God/Christ/Man.
And specifically the God/Christ/Jewish Man.  Wow! What more can you ask for!  Wink


i'm not seeing how this is a disagreement.  ??   Undecided
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 31st, 2008 at 8:38pm
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I don't totally agree. (surprise surprise  Smiley)

I agree God does not do anything willy nilly or arbitrarily. Everything He does is for His glory and
purpose. But God did not focus on or choose Abraham because of anything special in Abraham.
God wasn't waiting around for the right person (I've heard sermons like that before). He chose,
blessed Abraham. The complete package, faith etc. 


Consider that it's likely that God called Abraham's father first, only he didn't obey completely:

Genesis 11:31-32 - "Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, the wife of his son Abram, and together they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to Canaan. But when they came to Haran, they settled there.

Terah lived 205 years, and he died in Haran."

Terah set out from Ur to go to Canaan--but he didn't complete the journey.  It was after this that Abraham was called to continue the journey his father had been called to make.
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 1st, 2009 at 10:03am
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Consider that it's likely that God called Abraham's father first, only he didn't obey completely:

Genesis 11:31-32 - "Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, the wife of his son Abram, and together they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to Canaan. But when they came to Haran, they settled there.

Terah lived 205 years, and he died in Haran."

Terah set out from Ur to go to Canaan--but he didn't complete the journey.  It was after this that Abraham was called to continue the journey his father had been called to make.


The sovereign God was leading and guiding them the whole way. God set His love upon Abraham.
It could have been a Swede, or a Bushman or whatever. That's insignificant, it's all about God, not
Abraham, Mary etc.


  

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Reply #8 - Jan 1st, 2009 at 10:22am
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i'm not seeing how this is a disagreement.  ??   Undecided


I wrote that "I don't totally agree." And explained the part I disagree with. But I mostly agree.  Wink
  

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Reply #9 - Jan 1st, 2009 at 8:56pm
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The sovereign God was leading and guiding them the whole way. God set His love upon Abraham.
It could have been a Swede, or a Bushman or whatever. That's insignificant, it's all about God, not
Abraham, Mary etc.



only if you're a Calvinist.
otherwise, there are two sides to the coin:  the God's grace side and the human faith side
(or the preservation side and the perseverance side... to use Calvin's terms).
  
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