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Mar 30th, 2009 at 7:21pm
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i finally got around to watching The Golden Compass this past weekend and it was a bit different than i thought it would be.  my pre-watching impression was that it is a movie that has a strong anti-Catholic bent to it - nothing wholly new considering the popularity of Dan Brown novels hitting the big screen.  for example, the imposing and malevolent oligarchy of the Magisterium is an acute reference to the Roman Catholic branch of the church that deals with teaching authority.

however, it isn't simply an anti-Catholic narrative, but a highly subversive and insidious attack on theism.  this attack is evident within the first few minutes of the movie when the narrator informs the viewer that this story takes place in a different, parallel universe in which people don't have souls inside them, but souls that travel with them all their lives in the form of animal companions (much like a familiar to traditional witches).  these animals are called demons (or, in the subtitles, daemons - a traditional spelling of demons).

lead characters of the film legitimize the challenging of rules - not some rules, but rules in general (of course there is an inate contradiction to their challenge that is never answered in the narrative, but that goes without saying since it is also a contradiction common to people who are against rules generally).

further, the witch who is the protectorate of the protagonist in the movie is called a witch, a sybill, and is named something like Seriph.  thus, the narrative creates the parallel of witches and angels.

consider now if a child were to watch this.  clearly the Magisterium in the movie is tyrannical and more - evil, in its dealings with people.  they are trying to, and in cases succeeding, in disconnecting children from their souls - their daemons.
how would a conversation about the narrative sound and how would that translate in the mind of a child?
how would Christian or any theistic teaching follow when we now have to redefine what demon, witch and rules mean?
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And yet the main character, the supposed protagonist, is anything but likable.
  

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And yet the main character, the supposed protagonist, is anything but likable.

you think so?
i thought her character had plenty o' admirable qualities.
  
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i thought her character had plenty o' admirable qualities.


Hmmm...I disliked the character from the start, and after that she never won me over.
  

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Is that a bad thing?
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 30th, 2009 at 8:23pm
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Is that a bad thing?

could be.  consider that if it wasn't for the Roman Catholic church there would have been no reformation.  and condemning the RCC is too easy a cop-out for protestants today... especially considering that it didn't take long for protestants to learn to apply what they learned from the Roman church.

aside from that, my assumption regarding the movie before i watched it is marginal compared to my comment on the movie after i watched it.
  
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Re: the most insidious movie i've seen
Reply #6 - Apr 1st, 2009 at 9:04pm
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The Golden Compass movie was based on the first of a series of three books. These three books were wrote with a definitive atheistic goal in mind - from what I've read, they were intended to be the atheist "answer" to Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia.

I learned this shortly after seeing the first TV trailers for the movie. It's a shame because there are some genuinely cool elements to the story (giant armored polar bears are pretty neat, I must admit).

Thankfully, the Golden Compass didn't do as well as hoped in theaters - nowhere near as well as the Narnia movie did - hence, it's unlikely that the third (and most anti-religious) of the three books will get the movie treatment.
  
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Triple_R wrote on Apr 1st, 2009 at 9:04pm:
The Golden Compass movie was based on the first of a series of three books. These three books were wrote with a definitive atheistic goal in mind - from what I've read, they were intended to be the atheist "answer" to Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia.

I learned this shortly after seeing the first TV trailers for the movie. It's a shame because there are some genuinely cool elements to the story (giant armored polar bears are pretty neat, I must admit).

Thankfully, the Golden Compass didn't do as well as hoped in theaters - nowhere near as well as the Narnia movie did - hence, it's unlikely that the third (and most anti-religious) of the three books will get the movie treatment.

i really hope not.

i can usually see the teachable moments and Christian application in contemporary culture, but this has been tailored to challenge the archetypes that have historically pointed to Jesus and the Gospel.
  
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consider now if a child were to watch this.  clearly the Magisterium in the movie is tyrannical and more - evil, in its dealings with people.  they are trying to, and in cases succeeding, in disconnecting children from their souls - their daemons.
how would a conversation about the narrative sound and how would that translate in the mind of a child? how would Christian or any theistic teaching follow when we now have to redefine what demon, witch and rules mean ?


The Bible warns of those within the faith teaching a false gospel. They claim to be teaching Jesus and His ways, yet are false. God says satan disguises himself as an angel of light and his servants disguise themselves as servants of righteousness as they do their religious work. Satan is even called the GREAT counterfeiter and in the original language the term indicates sooooo close looking to the real thing that it looks and sounds true

Also Jesus said the wide path that leads to destruction is filled with people who believe they are on the narrow path leading to heaven, people who claim they did all sorts of thing in the Lords name, He told them to depart, He never knew them.

Based on what the Bibles itself says for the past few thousand years I don't see where any redefining of satan and his helpers in the physical church is necessary myself.   



  
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Re: the most insidious movie i've seen
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i really hope not.

i can usually see the teachable moments and Christian application in contemporary culture, but this has been tailored to challenge the archetypes that have historically pointed to Jesus and the Gospel .


If it's the true Jesus and His gospel, yes, but the Bible indicates many will be teaching ANOTHER Jesus, so it's possible to point people in the wrong direction in Jesus name and using the Bible as their reference. All Bible based cults do it with their good works theology..... Jesus sacrifice on the cross was sufficient to pay the sinners debt, the false gospel says man has to help Jesus complete the payment by being good enough also.

  
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