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Re: The Beast Revelation
Reply #30 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 1:45pm
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ephraim wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 11:23am:
I never mention Judas in my writings.
I cannot distinguish whether that is a figure of speech, or reality. If it is reality and Satan really entered into him, it makes no difference. Satan had the ability to access the Earth and the people on it. The parable about Jesus being tempted has no relation to Judas. Christ would have been the only one who could have gone to Heaven and came back, because he was God. This issue is of little importance to my writing. The only point I wanted to make is Satan could be anywhere he wanted to be. This is important because many think he cannot be in Heaven, but he must be in order to be cast out. There are some who think he has already been cast out. This is wrong also. Satan cannot be cast out and revealed, until something is removed first. That something is the Holy Spirit which resides in every believer. In other words, Satan cannot be revealed to the people of Earth until after the removal of the Church...Michae1


So...then there really is no justification whatsoever for the idea that Jesus' temptation "must have been in heaven."  It's purely speculation with no practical implications.
  

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Reply #31 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 2:42pm
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Mercy For All wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 1:45pm:
So...then there really is no justification whatsoever for the idea that Jesus' temptation "must have been in heaven." It's purely speculation with no practical implications.


I have told you what significance it has to me. It is exactly how parables are figured out. A definition of a word is given in some part of scripture, and then that definition is applied in other areas. I've demonstrated, step by step, how the parable of Rev.13:1 is figured out. The temptation of Christ has all the same looks, in my opinion, as any of the other parables. If you see no significance to my point, then don't worry about it. It means something to me.
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Reply #32 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 3:02pm
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ephraim wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 2:42pm:
I have told you what significance it has to me. It is exactly how parables are figured out. A definition of a word is given in some part of scripture, and then that definition is applied in other areas. I've demonstrated, step by step, how the parable of Rev.13:1 is figured out. The temptation of Christ has all the same looks, in my opinion, as any of the other parables. If you see no significance to my point, then don't worry about it. It means something to me.
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Actually, that's not how parables are "figured out."
  

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Reply #33 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 3:41pm
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ephraim wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 2:42pm:
I have told you what significance it has to me. It is exactly how parables are figured out. A definition of a word is given in some part of scripture, and then that definition is applied in other areas. I've demonstrated, step by step, how the parable of Rev.13:1 is figured out. The temptation of Christ has all the same looks, in my opinion, as any of the other parables. If you see no significance to my point, then don't worry about it. It means something to me.
Ephraim

that's a very messy way and makes almost any parable open to any interpretation.

and maybe that's the  point... anyone can make the Bible mean "anything to them."
if, however, a person is interested in an honest reading of the text, hermeneutics should be applied that look at God's intentional meaning regarding context and what we learn about God throughout Scripture.

it sounds like you're trying to arrive at a systematic understanding of all of Scripture which is most often disastrous.
  
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Reply #34 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 5:23pm
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it sounds like you're trying to arrive at a systematic understanding of all of Scripture which is most often disastrous.


Even trying to do that with apocalyptic literature is disastrous.
  

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Reply #35 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 5:26pm
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Mercy For All wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 5:23pm:
Even trying to do that with apocalyptic literature is disastrous.

again, the reason is that Scripture wasn't written systematically.  apocalyptic literature is worse in its end result when trying to do it though.  yep.
  
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Re: The Beast Revelation
Reply #36 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 5:26pm
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Mercy For All wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 3:02pm:
Actually, that's not how parables are "figured out."


Let's just agree to disagree. The only avenue I have to help you understand how I arrived at my conclusions is to show you the methods used. My whole essay is based on these methods. If you disagree, that is fine. Just say that. I don't mind. An interpretation without the keys to get it would be inadequate. Thanks for your time...Ephraim
  
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Reply #37 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 9:50pm
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ephraim wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 5:26pm:
Let's just agree to disagree. The only avenue I have to help you understand how I arrived at my conclusions is to show you the methods used. My whole essay is based on these methods. If you disagree, that is fine. Just say that. I don't mind. An interpretation without the keys to get it would be inadequate. Thanks for your time...Ephraim


No problem.  But you have to understand that parables are Jewish literary construct and are interpreted according to Jewish literary rules.  A Jewish parable typically makes one point.  It is usually symbolic but many times the interpretation is obvious.  A Jewish parable is rarely (if ever) esoteric in nature.  This is why Jesus' parables many times angered people; they understood his parables.  The few times Jesus explained his parables, the explanations were simple.

A parable is not an analogy or allegory.  The interpretations are not convoluted; they are simple.
  

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Reply #38 - Oct 3rd, 2011 at 2:13am
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Mercy For All wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 9:50pm:
No problem. But you have to understand that parables are Jewish literary construct and are interpreted according to Jewish literary rules. A Jewish parable typically makes one point. It is usually symbolic but many times the interpretation is obvious. A Jewish parable is rarely (if ever) esoteric in nature. This is why Jesus' parables many times angered people; they understood his parables. The few times Jesus explained his parables, the explanations were simple.

A parable is not an analogy or allegory. The interpretations are not convoluted; they are simple.

Is that your personal opinion or do you have something to back it up?
  
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Re: The Beast Revelation
Reply #39 - Oct 3rd, 2011 at 11:06am
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Is that your personal opinion or do you have something to back it up?


This is the Christian Forum. If you think I'm wrong, do a little research and start a thread on the Religion Forum.
  

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