FounderChurch wrote on Nov 8
th, 2011 at 11:39pm:
It is so, so, expected that the Pharisees would gather around together in mobs to attack any truth teller who systematically exposes them.
In other words, I can be an opinionated jerk, and if other people don't like it, it proves I'm right. Right?
Quote:I have no ax to grind, unlike you and your cohorts.
OH YES YOU DO! You've made your "ax" really clear. Only Conservatives can be Christians and any kind of birth control is equivalent to murder.
Quote:I have nothing to gain, unlike you and your accomplices.
To whom are you directing your message? Me? I don't have "accomplices." I stand on my own.
Quote:I have no motive other than just to tell the truth, as God gives me the light to see and understand that truth.
You don't allow others to have their own opinion.
Quote:But understand this, you do not own Christianity, nor Christ, nor the Father in Heaven. I disagree with you, and your people's, interpretation of the Bible, pure and simple. We can both read, we both have brains, and still we disagree, and that is OK with me, but not OK with you.
Back atcha my opinionated friend. I don't have a problem with you having your own opinion. It's when you call those who disagree with you murderers, sinners, and "not Christians" that there is a problem. In fact, I've already acknowledged publicly on LNF that I don't question your Christianity. Yet you question mine.
So...it seems you are describing yourself, not me.
Quote:You have the majority on your side I understand that, and I am merely a voice crying in the wilderness.
No, I don't have the majority on my side. I respect others and they respect me; but I'm in the minority on my opinions.
Quote:Even Christ went to the Cross alone, and unbefriended, abandoned by His own disciples. Not one raised a voice in His defense at His trial. Likely His own mother was at that trial in front of Pilate, as much of Jerusalem was.
You're not a martyr here. People appeal to "the gospel being an offence" to justify their own offensive behavior. Let the gospel stand on its own. If someone considers it offensive, so be it. But you don't need to be offensive.
Quote:So, I don't mind, and don't complain, and I don't cry about it.
No, you just make false accusations. Well done.
Quote:I expect persecution, ridicule, and rejection, and I welcome it, for it proves up the prophesies of the Bible, which say, "Unless you are persecuted for me, you are none of me."
Again, if you are persecuted
for Christ, more power to you. If you are persecuted for pushing a political agenda or simply being offensive, that is of no credit to you.
Quote:Show me your persecution, and I will show you mine. I don't seek persecution, but I don't complain about it either.
You celebrate your persecution because you think it validates your point of view.
Quote:I tolerate what I know to be your mistaken views, it is you who do not tolerate my views.
I don't tolerate your views when those views include you claiming that I am a false follower of Christ. Should I tolerate that?
Quote:Think for a moment, what am I saying? I'm saying, Legalism is rampant in the church today.
I agree.
Quote:I'm saying to parents, Do not kill your babies with birth control.
Okay. I think your opinion is wrong. Is that okay with you?
Quote:I'm saying preachers should not be impoverishing their churches, which they and other hanger ons, use as their personal piggy bank.
I say you don't know what you're talking about. Most pastors live below the income level of most in their churches and work very hard.
Quote:I'm saying, nobody knows, and the Bible does not say, whether Jesus had a wife, or wives, and children. Therefore I'm guessing He did.
Fine with me, as long as you don't go farther than "guess."
Quote:I'm saying, where the Bible is silent and it does not conflict with other Scripture, we are free to speculate. How are these crimes against the Word of God, that you feel deserve the wrath, and scorn you have heaped upon me and what I say.
Like what, specifically? Do you have some facts to back up what you're saying here? What wrath and scorn have I heaped on you based on your speculations rather than on what you insist the Bible says?
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