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Re: Wrong to "neighborhood watch"?
Reply #100 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 4:50pm

west2004 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

So take it up with those who have denied that.

There do not seem to be any who would argue against the facts regarding slavery and slave-labor in Red China's slave factories. Not on this forum, at least. Maybe one will pop up in the near future and we will just have to straighten him out, won't we? Cheesy

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You misinterpreted "neighborhood watch", then.

I'll grant you that slight possibility, since you are in such an agreeable mood today and not accusing other posters of lying. Cool

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Re: Wrong to "neighborhood watch"?
Reply #101 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

joe_christian wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

There do not seem to be any who would argue against the facts regarding slavery and slave-labor in Red China's slave factories. Not on this forum, at least. Maybe one will pop up in the near future and we will just have to straighten him out, won't we? Cheesy

Just as there are people who argue, against fact, that Apple enslaves people or that Apple employees, while employed at Apple, are slaves.

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I'll grant you that slight possibility, since you are in such an agreeable mood today and not accusing other posters of lying. Cool

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Re: Wrong to "neighborhood watch"?
Reply #102 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 5:24pm

west2004 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

Just as there are people who argue, against fact, that Apple enslaves people or that Apple employees, while employed at Apple, are slaves.

Who in their right mind would argue, against all known facts, that Apple enslaves people in the US or that Apple employees, while employed at Apple in the US, are slaves?

That would be just as wrong and deluded as asserting, against all reports, photos and videos of it, that there is no slave trade, slave market and slave-labor in China and denying that Apple rakes in huge profits from using young wage-slaves to make its iPhones in Red Chinese slave-labor factories.

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Re: Wrong to "neighborhood watch"?
Reply #103 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 6:09pm

Billy the friendly IRS Agent wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

First, a neighborhood has the absolute right IMHO to organize a watch and an absolute right to exercise surveillance over their private property and PUBLIC SPACE...ie sidewalks, roadways, park or playground areas.

However, the purpose of such watch is to OBSERVE AND REPORT...thats it. The communtiy relations officers used to train the neighborhood watch and even assigned them code numbers...they in turn would train other members of the watch and it was simply what information was needed to report to 911 starting with a street location, a description of the subject (clothing, hgt, weight, age) and description of activiety he/she is engaged in.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should a confrontation be initiated based on suspicion only. Civilians are discouraged from contfronting suspicious persons and crimes in progress due to the danger such represents.

so when the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following the subject Martin the dispatcher was doing what HE/SHE was trained to do and was likely following Police policy re dealing with neighborhood watch.

You might say it is CYA (cover your ass) so that the Deptment is later not sued or held liable but there is a valid reason for it. And that is public safety.

So it all comes down to this, neighborhood watch committees are fine as long as they are limited to OBSERVE AND REPORT...anything else is discouraged as it could and DOES result in tragedies like you se here.

Hi, Bill, thanks for your reply, but it doesn't address my topic. In the OP my specific concern was the apparently widely held view that neighborhood watch should never follow. I don't have any solid opinion on that; on the one hand, a person ought to be able to walk around his own neighborhood, but on the other hand, no one wants to unnecessarily risk a confrontation between the watch and a suspicious person.

But the watch loses its effectiveness as soon as the suspicious person is out of sight, if following is not permissable. Obviously, the optimum thing would be for the watch to not be caught watching; that is, to appear to merely be out for a walk or something like that.

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Re: Wrong to "neighborhood watch"?
Reply #105 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 6:18pm

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LOL, there is a tiny tiny little difference between calling 911 while peeping out of your living room window.... and getting in your SUV, following a teenager, then confronting him while armed and ultimately pumping a bullet into him. Just a tiny little difference there.

Another shit-for-brains post. There is no evidence that Mr. Zimmerman "confronted" Mr. Martin. He may have; but Mr. Martin may have confronted Mr. Zimmerman. I don't know, and neither does anyone else here.

I always hear that libs are the geniuses, and the rest of us are dumbasses. If so, why do so many of the libs write such demonstrably stupid posts?

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Re: Wrong to "neighborhood watch"?
Reply #106 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 6:52pm

josé david wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Another shit-for-brains post. There is no evidence that Mr. Zimmerman "confronted" Mr. Martin. He may have; but Mr. Martin may have confronted Mr. Zimmerman. I don't know, and neither does anyone else here.

I always hear that libs are the geniuses, and the rest of us are dumbasses. If so, why do so many of the libs write such demonstrably stupid posts?

It's in there blood?

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Re: Wrong to "neighborhood watch"?
Reply #107 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 6:57pm

josé david wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Another shit-for-brains post. There is no evidence that Mr. Zimmerman "confronted" Mr. Martin. He may have; but Mr. Martin may have confronted Mr. Zimmerman. I don't know, and neither does anyone else here.

I always hear that libs are the geniuses, and the rest of us are dumbasses. If so, why do so many of the libs write such demonstrably stupid posts?

You only hear that libtards are geniuses from libtards, so, it's kinda self-explanatory...

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west2004 LNF Majority Leader Offline GO CUBS Posts: 6,071	Re: Wrong to "neighborhood watch"? Reply #108 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 8:30pm joe_christian wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 5:24pm: Who in their right mind would argue, against all known facts, that Apple enslaves people in the US or that Apple employees, while employed at Apple in the US, are slaves? Who in their right mind would argue, against known facts, that Apple enslaves people anywhere?
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Re: Wrong to "neighborhood watch"?
Reply #109 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 8:48pm

A little lesson for our neocons today:

The whole reason why we have Police Departments is because policing the streets requires special skills and training, that is why the job is left up to PROFESSIONALS, not just any idiot who decides to buy a gun and a flashlight and start patrolling the streets looking for those who appear to be on "the wrong side of the tracks."

Bottom Line: when you allow uneducated and unskilled random people with guns to go on patrol of their neighborhood, results like what we saw in Florida are the outcome, that is why your local police department has a dispatcher who answers PHONES, because they expect you to call a problem in, and then the police will respond, that is why police have CARS, they are to drive to where the suspected problem is, it is not your role to drive around questioning people

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