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patrick2 LNF Majority Leader Online I Love Liberty News Forum! Posts: 5,304 Gender:	Question 4 for Christians Apr 14^th, 2012 at 10:43pm Christians say God gave people free will. That implies God doesn't know what choices they are going to make a priori. Then that means God isn't all-knowing, He doesn't know everthing that will happen in the future?
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Re: Question 4 for Christians
Reply #1 - Apr 15^th, 2012 at 8:11am

patrick2 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 10:43pm:

Christians say God gave people free will. That implies God doesn't know what choices they are going to make a priori. Then that means God isn't all-knowing, He doesn't know everthing that will happen in the future?

Scripture says the plan of Salvation was in effect "before the foundation of the Earth."
Could God have prevented it? Of course!
God is never taken by surprise.
Why did He allow it? We don't have all the answers and can only speculate. We are told that all things work for His glory. I believe that is certainly one important reason.

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Re: Question 4 for Christians
Reply #2 - Apr 15^th, 2012 at 9:49am

fair-minded know it all wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 8:11am:

We don't have all the answers and can only speculate. We are told that all things work for His glory. I believe that is certainly one important reason.

WOW . . . that is SOME profound answer!!

Thanks for pulling your head out of the sand long enough to get that out!

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Re: Question 4 for Christians
Reply #4 - Apr 15^th, 2012 at 9:51pm

patrick2 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 10:43pm:

Christians say God gave people free will.

Not all Christians say that.

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That implies God doesn't know what choices they are going to make a priori. Then that means God isn't all-knowing, He doesn't know everthing that will happen in the future?

No, it doesn't. God can see choices he does not make. It kind of makes no sense to say that he knows about a choice, therefore he makes a choice on behalf of someone else. Consider that I can watch a movie two or three times; I see the choices made by the characters--I know what they will do. I'm hardly controlling them.

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Re: Question 4 for Christians
Reply #5 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 11:24am

Mercy For All wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

...No, it doesn't. God can see choices he does not make. It kind of makes no sense to say that he knows about a choice, therefore he makes a choice on behalf of someone else. Consider that I can watch a movie two or three times; I see the choices made by the characters--I know what they will do. I'm hardly controlling them.

But, you people allege that god is the movie maker. Your analogy doesn't make much sense.

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Re: Question 4 for Christians
Reply #6 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:14pm

patrick2 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 10:43pm:

Christians say God gave people free will. That implies God doesn't know what choices they are going to make a priori. Then that means God isn't all-knowing, He doesn't know everthing that will happen in the future?

Let's say you have a son. He is playing with firecrackers. He is throwing them by hand even though you have told him not to do it. However your son CHOOSES to continue and be disobedient. One of the firecrackers goes off in his hand and blows a finger off. Are you, the father, suprised by this? Probably not because you drew from you experience.

So now you know that you do not have to be God to know the outcome of choices made by others. It is relatively easy for us to do so with our limited knowledge.

So your question is both poorly thought of and poorly executed. You asked a question, made your own wrong implication, then asked for us to say something to make you change your opinion. You are not seeking answers but making statements. Save yourself some time and just make the statements and be done with it.

I have a question for you...prove to me that God does not exist.

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Mercy For All LNF Moderator The Writer's Croft LNF Bunker Offline Be completely alive until you're completely dead. Posts: 36,910 Gender:	Re: Question 4 for Christians Reply #7 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:21pm Quote: But, you people allege that god is the movie maker. Your analogy doesn't make much sense. No, he's not the "movie maker." It's more like he has begun a play in which not only is he (as the writer/director) a participant, but it's also in many ways spontaneous. It's Curb Your Enthusiasm, not Seinfeld.
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Reply #8 - Apr 17^th, 2012 at 12:53am

Mercy For All wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

No, he's not the "movie maker." It's more like he has begun a play in which not only is he (as the writer/director) a participant, but it's also in many ways spontaneous. It's Curb Your Enthusiasm, not Seinfeld.

You're still not making any sense. First you said that it was a movie , as in something that we can't change once it's been done but now that you see that your movie analogy doesn't work you're switching to a play where god would be a participant but in that case why would he watch a play in which he is a participant three times and do exactly the same thing the three times with the same disastrous results. That doesn't make any sense. Your analogies suck.

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Re: Question 4 for Christians
Reply #9 - Apr 17^th, 2012 at 2:09am

patrick2 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 10:43pm:

Christians say God gave people free will. That implies God doesn't know what choices they are going to make a priori. Then that means God isn't all-knowing, He doesn't know everthing that will happen in the future?

Not at all. God gives us free will so we can make choices, but at the same time God already knows which choice we will make. He has no influence on the choices, he just knows what they will be.

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