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Reply #40 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:53am
 
duster wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:42am:
Probably around the time of the American Revolution.

Examples?
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Re: The fair and balanced paradigm..
Reply #41 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:56am
 
The union protesters in Madison, WI left the Capitol a freakin' me$$.
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Reply #42 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:58am
 
Self-radicalizing Harry wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:44am:
It's called being responsible. A very important trait, and a good clue as to the character of the person, or people involved.

No one is saying personal responsibility is a bad thing. But it has no tangible connection with the worth or value of a political idea. If Joe is an unmovable couch potato who farts at his kids and throws his chip bags and beer cans all over the floor for his wife to clean up, but he's the one who coins the notion that slavery is a bad thing (an idea no more ironic in Joe than it was in Thomas Jefferson), then Joe's idea itself is worthless because he's a slob? Is that really what you're saying?
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Re: The fair and balanced paradigm..
Reply #43 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 10:03am
 
Sandy wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:53am:
Examples?

As a young schoolboy in Virginia, George Washington took his first steps toward greatness by copying out by hand a list of 110 'Rules of Civility & Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation.' Based on a 16th-century set of precepts compiled for young gentlemen by Jesuit instructors, the Rules of Civility were one of the earliest and most powerful forces to shape America's first president, says historian Richard Brookhiser.

Most of the rules are concerned with details of etiquette, offering pointers on such issues as how to dress, walk, eat in public and address one's superiors. But in the introduction to the newly published Rules of Civility: The 110 Precepts That Guided Our First President in War and Peace, Brookhiser warns against dismissing the maxims as "mere" etiquette. "The rules address moral issues, but they address them indirectly," Brookhiser writes. "They seek to form the inner man (or boy) by shaping the outer."

Brookhiser says the advice the rules offer, though often outlandish in detail, is still applicable in our day and age: "Maybe they can work on us in our century as the Jesuits intended them to work in theirs — indirectly — by putting us in a more ambitious frame of mind."

The Rules of Civility & Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation

(For ease of reading, punctuation and spelling have been modernized.)

1. Every action done in company ought to be with some sign of respect to those that are present.

2. When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered.

3. Show nothing to your friend that may affright him.

4. In the presence of others, sing not to yourself with a humming voice, or drum with your fingers or feet.

5. If you cough, sneeze, sigh or yawn, do it not loud but privately, and speak not in your yawning, but put your handkerchief or hand before your face and turn aside.

6. Sleep not when others speak, sit not when others stand, speak not when you should hold your peace, walk not on when others stop.

7. Put not off your clothes in the presence of others, nor go out of your chamber half dressed.

8. At play and attire, it's good manners to give place to the last comer, and affect not to speak louder than ordinary.

9. Spit not into the fire, nor stoop low before it; neither put your hands into the flames to warm them, nor set your feet upon the fire, especially if there be meat before it.

10. When you sit down, keep your feet firm and even, without putting one on the other or crossing them.

11. Shift not yourself in the sight of others, nor gnaw your nails.

12. Shake not the head, feet, or legs; roll not the eyes; lift not one eyebrow higher than the other, wry not the mouth, and bedew no man's face with your spittle by approaching too near him when you speak.

13. Kill no vermin, or fleas, lice, ticks, etc. in the sight of others; if you see any filth or thick spittle put your foot dexterously upon it; if it be upon the clothes of your companions, put it off privately, and if it be upon your own clothes, return thanks to him who puts it off.

14. Turn not your back to others, especially in speaking; jog not the table or desk on which another reads or writes; lean not upon anyone.

15. Keep your nails clean and short, also your hands and teeth clean, yet without showing any great concern for them.

16. Do not puff up the cheeks, loll not out the tongue with the hands or beard, thrust out the lips or bite them, or keep the lips too open or too close.

17. Be no flatterer, neither play with any that delight not to be played withal.

18. Read no letter, books, or papers in company, but when there is a necessity for the doing of it, you must ask leave; come not near the books or writtings of another so as to read them unless desired, or give your opinion of them unasked. Also look not nigh when another is writing a letter.

19. Let your countenance be pleasant but in serious matters somewhat grave.

20. The gestures of the body must be suited to the discourse you are upon.

21. Reproach none for the infirmities of nature, nor delight to put them that have in mind of thereof.

22. Show not yourself glad at the misfortune of another though he were your enemy.

23. When you see a crime punished, you may be inwardly pleased; but always show pity to the suffering offender.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1248919
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Re: The fair and balanced paradigm..
Reply #44 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 10:04am
 
Sandy wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:58am:
No one is saying personal responsibility is a bad thing. But it has no tangible connection with the worth or value of a political idea. If Joe is an unmovable couch potato who farts at his kids and throws his chip bags and beer cans all over the floor for his wife to clean up, but he's the one who coins the notion that slavery is a bad thing (an idea no more ironic in Joe than it was in Thomas Jefferson), then Joe's idea itself is worthless because he's a slob? Is that really what you're saying?


We are saying that the #Occutard children lived like and behaved like the pigs and halfwits that they are.

Tea Party people do not. Their gatherings are peaceful, clean, and respectful of law-enforcement who were assigned to these events.

Arrests at #Occutard camps show who were the lawbreakers and sub-normals. How dare they behave responsibly, compared to the sniveling leftist filth, who should have been tasered repeatedly, to encourage their behavior modification.
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Reply #45 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 10:05am
 
quiller wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:46am:
YOU introduced the term "social and political worth," and if you wish to believe that drug-addled, disease-conditions-living snivel-artists represent ANYTHING good about America, that is your right.

You deliberately ignored the rapes, public sexual activity (both normal and queer). You ignore the strong communist influence behind the #Occutards.

You believe America should crawl into the gutter these abject greedy little trash all crawled from.

All the specific crimes you mention were committed by individuals, and only a few at that. Culpability for those crimes cannot be applied universally to the OWS people; culpability can't legitimately spread beyond the specific individuals who committed them or aided by act or omission in their commission. If the OWS people were inspired by communism, that is their right: the political practice of communism is no longer illegal in the US. They have every inch as much right to be influenced by communism or be card-carrying members of the Communist Party, and to vote Communist, as you have to be influenced by conservatism and register to vote as a Republican. That's the beauty of this country: political equality for everyone, regardless of political belief.
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Reply #46 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 10:06am
 
Sandy wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 9:58am:
No one is saying personal responsibility is a bad thing. But it has no tangible connection with the worth or value of a political idea. If Joe is an unmovable couch potato who farts at his kids and throws his chip bags and beer cans all over the floor for his wife to clean up, but he's the one who coins the notion that slavery is a bad thing (an idea no more ironic in Joe than it was in Thomas Jefferson), then Joe's idea itself is worthless because he's a slob? Is that really what you're saying?


I'm having trouble connecting (hypothetical) Joe with the anti-slavery movement.

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Reply #47 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 10:07am
 
duster wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 10:03am:
As a young schoolboy in Virginia, George Washington took his first steps toward greatness by copying out by hand a list of 110 'Rules of Civility & Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation.' Based on a 16th-century set of precepts compiled for young gentlemen by Jesuit instructors, the Rules of Civility were one of the earliest and most powerful forces to shape America's first president, says historian Richard Brookhiser.

Most of the rules are concerned with details of etiquette, offering pointers on such issues as how to dress, walk, eat in public and address one's superiors. But in the introduction to the newly published Rules of Civility: The 110 Precepts That Guided Our First President in War and Peace, Brookhiser warns against dismissing the maxims as "mere" etiquette. "The rules address moral issues, but they address them indirectly," Brookhiser writes. "They seek to form the inner man (or boy) by shaping the outer."

Brookhiser says the advice the rules offer, though often outlandish in detail, is still applicable in our day and age: "Maybe they can work on us in our century as the Jesuits intended them to work in theirs — indirectly — by putting us in a more ambitious frame of mind."

The Rules of Civility & Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation

(For ease of reading, punctuation and spelling have been modernized.)

1. Every action done in company ought to be with some sign of respect to those that are present.

2. When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered.

3. Show nothing to your friend that may affright him.

4. In the presence of others, sing not to yourself with a humming voice, or drum with your fingers or feet.

5. If you cough, sneeze, sigh or yawn, do it not loud but privately, and speak not in your yawning, but put your handkerchief or hand before your face and turn aside.

6. Sleep not when others speak, sit not when others stand, speak not when you should hold your peace, walk not on when others stop.

7. Put not off your clothes in the presence of others, nor go out of your chamber half dressed.

8. At play and attire, it's good manners to give place to the last comer, and affect not to speak louder than ordinary.

9. Spit not into the fire, nor stoop low before it; neither put your hands into the flames to warm them, nor set your feet upon the fire, especially if there be meat before it.

10. When you sit down, keep your feet firm and even, without putting one on the other or crossing them.

11. Shift not yourself in the sight of others, nor gnaw your nails.

12. Shake not the head, feet, or legs; roll not the eyes; lift not one eyebrow higher than the other, wry not the mouth, and bedew no man's face with your spittle by approaching too near him when you speak.

13. Kill no vermin, or fleas, lice, ticks, etc. in the sight of others; if you see any filth or thick spittle put your foot dexterously upon it; if it be upon the clothes of your companions, put it off privately, and if it be upon your own clothes, return thanks to him who puts it off.

14. Turn not your back to others, especially in speaking; jog not the table or desk on which another reads or writes; lean not upon anyone.

15. Keep your nails clean and short, also your hands and teeth clean, yet without showing any great concern for them.

16. Do not puff up the cheeks, loll not out the tongue with the hands or beard, thrust out the lips or bite them, or keep the lips too open or too close.

17. Be no flatterer, neither play with any that delight not to be played withal.

18. Read no letter, books, or papers in company, but when there is a necessity for the doing of it, you must ask leave; come not near the books or writtings of another so as to read them unless desired, or give your opinion of them unasked. Also look not nigh when another is writing a letter.

19. Let your countenance be pleasant but in serious matters somewhat grave.

20. The gestures of the body must be suited to the discourse you are upon.

21. Reproach none for the infirmities of nature, nor delight to put them that have in mind of thereof.

22. Show not yourself glad at the misfortune of another though he were your enemy.

23. When you see a crime punished, you may be inwardly pleased; but always show pity to the suffering offender.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1248919

A lovely list. What does it have to do with the intrinsic value of political ideas synthesized or championed by individuals or groups?
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Reply #48 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 10:09am
 
Genesee wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 10:06am:
I'm having trouble connecting (hypothetical) Joe with the anti-slavery movement.


Part of the beauty of the thing: your incredulity does not stop Joe from deciding slavery is bad any more than it stopped Jefferson, a slave owner til the day he died, from writing passionately about the evil of human bondage. Joe and Jefferson would be alike in that regard.
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Reply #49 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 10:10am
 
Sandy wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 10:07am:
A lovely list. What does it have to do with the intrinsic value of political ideas synthesized or championed by individuals or groups?

I can't believe that you don't know what G. Washington did.
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