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Re: Are you patriotic?
Reply #90 - May 10^th, 2012 at 8:04am

Self-radicalizing Harry wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 7:26am:

I'll certainly express my opinion, which is my right.

Unlike you though, I've never claimed they don't have a right to address congress. See the difference?

Yes, you can express your opinion, and then you can try to claim you have not done so as you did in your post. See why I called you a liar whichever way you went? No one said you could not express your opinion. It was your insinuation that you had never done so.

As to the right ts redress, show me where in the Constitution one has the absolute right to redress. One has the right to "petition" for redress, not the right to the redress itself. Do you understand yet?

Then we have the definition of "people". Citizens United aside, where does the Constitution refer to "people" as a group, and not as Individuals? Granted one has the right to assemble as a group, however, that is a right allowed to Individuals, and in no way confers upon that group the status of a "people".

Now, while the Bill of Rights also grants certain rights to individuals, it also grants those same rights to society as a whole. No where is it stated otherwise in that the people have suddenly become an incorporated body. Even Article Two separates the concept of a militia from that of the people granting the right of gun ownership on both groups, that of a militia, and that of the people as a whole.

I know the concept of the Individual having more power then the Incorporated body is contrary to your view, however, it is the Constitutional view.

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1Samuel 8: 19,20
"Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us; That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles."

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Re: Are you patriotic?
Reply #91 - May 10^th, 2012 at 8:11am

SiouxRebel wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 8:04am:

Yes, you can express your opinion, and then you can try to claim you have not done so as you did in your post. See why I called you a liar whichever way you went? No one said you could not express your opinion. It was your insinuation that you had never done so.

As to the right ts redress, show me where in the Constitution one has the absolute right to redress. One has the right to "petition" for redress, not the right to the redress itself. Do you understand yet?

Then we have the definition of "people". Citizens United aside, where does the Constitution refer to "people" as a group, and not as Individuals? Granted one has the right to assemble as a group, however, that is a right allowed to Individuals, and in no way confers upon that group the status of a "people".

Now, while the Bill of Rights also grants certain rights to individuals, it also grants those same rights to society as a whole. No where is it stated otherwise in that the people have suddenly become an incorporated body. Even Article Two separates the concept of a militia from that of the people granting the right of gun ownership on both groups, that of a militia, and that of the people as a whole.

I know the concept of the Individual having more power then the Incorporated body is contrary to your view, however, it is the Constitutional view.

The constitution does not grant rights.

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Sandy LNF Party Leader Offline I Love Liberty News Forum! Posts: 4,604 Right here Gender:	Re: Are you patriotic? Reply #92 - May 10^th, 2012 at 9:18am Self-radicalizing Harry wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 8:11am: The constitution does not grant rights. I'm curious to know if you can provide us wih a comprehensive list of the natural rights of citizens the constitution guards?
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Self-radicalizing Harry LNF Speaker LNF Bunker Online I used to be Bert, but something went terribly wro Posts: 19,490 Gender:	Re: Are you patriotic? Reply #93 - May 10^th, 2012 at 9:20am Sandy wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 9:18am: I'm curious to know if you can provide us wih a comprehensive list of the natural rights of citizens the constitution guards? All of them.
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Sandy LNF Party Leader Offline I Love Liberty News Forum! Posts: 4,604 Right here Gender:	Re: Are you patriotic? Reply #94 - May 10^th, 2012 at 9:28am Self-radicalizing Harry wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 9:20am: All of them. Vague. Be more specific, if you can. I'll start you off: --The right of free speech and expression; --The right to a free press; --The right to the free exercise of conscience in belief . . . . . . now you finish the list.
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Self-radicalizing Harry LNF Speaker LNF Bunker Online I used to be Bert, but something went terribly wro Posts: 19,490 Gender:	Re: Are you patriotic? Reply #95 - May 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am Sandy wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 9:28am: Vague. Be more specific, if you can. I'll start you off: --The right of free speech and expression; --The right to a free press; --The right to the free exercise of conscience in belief . . . . . . now you finish the list. Individual rights are innumerable.
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Sandy LNF Party Leader Offline I Love Liberty News Forum! Posts: 4,604 Right here Gender:	Re: Are you patriotic? Reply #96 - May 10^th, 2012 at 10:13am Self-radicalizing Harry wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am: Individual rights are innumerable. And constitutionally protected?
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west2004 LNF Majority Leader Offline GO CUBS Posts: 6,070	Re: Are you patriotic? Reply #97 - May 10^th, 2012 at 10:21am Sandy wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 10:13am: And constitutionally protected? I would say so. Quote: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. -- Bill of Rights, Amendment IX
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Sandy LNF Party Leader Offline I Love Liberty News Forum! Posts: 4,604 Right here Gender:	Re: Are you patriotic? Reply #98 - May 10^th, 2012 at 10:31am west2004 wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 10:21am: I would say so. -- Bill of Rights, Amendment IX Excellent! So then there is a right of privacy, and the constitution protects it!
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Self-radicalizing Harry LNF Speaker LNF Bunker Online I used to be Bert, but something went terribly wro Posts: 19,490 Gender:	Re: Are you patriotic? Reply #99 - May 10^th, 2012 at 10:34am Sandy wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 10:13am: And constitutionally protected? Yes.
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