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Re: A nuclear retaliation would have been better than boots on ground
Reply #20 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:16pm

Redbeard wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:07pm:

Lets start with the US servicemen killed by bombs supported and supplied by Iran and the Iraqi insurgents trained in Iran

But why kill indiscriminantly? The vast majority of Iranians have nothing whatsoever to do with what their government does. Most of them are probably just trying to stay alive and out from under their government's boot.

I do not support indiscriminantly killing Iranians out of some twisted sense of judgement or retribution.

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Re: A nuclear retaliation would have been better than boots on ground
Reply #21 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:32pm

Maestro wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:16pm:

But why kill indiscriminantly? The vast majority of Iranians have nothing whatsoever to do with what their government does. Most of them are probably just trying to stay alive and out from under their government's boot.

I do not support indiscriminantly killing Iranians out of some twisted sense of judgement or retribution.

i agree BUT
if the people cannot over thrown their own goverment then they are no different then the people of dresdend
if you don't stand up and make a stand you go down with your "leaders"
if you remember the 70's there were three kinds of people in iran
those that ran for thier lives and those that stood for the mulluas and those that died

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Re: A nuclear retaliation would have been better than boots on ground
Reply #22 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 6:32am

commanman wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

i agree BUT
if the people cannot over thrown their own goverment then they are no different then the people of dresdend
if you don't stand up and make a stand you go down with your "leaders"
if you remember the 70's there were three kinds of people in iran
those that ran for thier lives and those that stood for the mulluas and those that died

This is the philosophy of Osama bin Laden who claimed that attacking civilian non-combatants, especially in a country that considers itself a democracy, is fair game because the people are responsible for the actions of the government. This is why he believed terrorism to be an acceptable practice. Actually, your philosophy is more radical than bin Laden's who focused his attention on democracies where civilians have more influence on the government. You believe the same thing applies to people in a dictatorship.

If the average Iranian deserves to die for not overthrowing his government, then the terrorists are right. We are all legitimate targets and there is no longer any distinction between soldier and civilian. All are fair game. We should quit complaining about the terrorists' tactics, which apparently are philospohically sound.

By the way, you have yet to overthrow our president, which, by your philosophy, makes you just as guilty of everything he has ever done that you complain about. The upcoming election doesn't matter. He is president now. You have not overthrown him. You are guilty now. Every complaint you lay it his feet comes right back to you. You are just as guilty as he and deserve whatever punishment you think he should get.

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Re: A nuclear retaliation would have been better than boots on ground
Reply #23 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 4:01pm

Maestro wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 6:32am:

This is the philosophy of Osama bin Laden who claimed that attacking civilian non-combatants, especially in a country that considers itself a democracy, is fair game because the people are responsible for the actions of the government. This is why he believed terrorism to be an acceptable practice. Actually, your philosophy is more radical than bin Laden's who focused his attention on democracies where civilians have more influence on the government. You believe the same thing applies to people in a dictatorship.

If the average Iranian deserves to die for not overthrowing his government, then the terrorists are right. We are all legitimate targets and there is no longer any distinction between soldier and civilian. All are fair game. We should quit complaining about the terrorists' tactics, which apparently are philospohically sound.

By the way, you have yet to overthrow our president, which, by your philosophy, makes you just as guilty of everything he has ever done that you complain about. The upcoming election doesn't matter. He is president now. You have not overthrown him. You are guilty now. Every complaint you lay it his feet comes right back to you. You are just as guilty as he and deserve whatever punishment you think he should get.

you bring up some very good points
i, as many others, are upset with our government
we just have not reached the point of no return
it may be soon but for now we just have to live with the status quo
i am not to the point of overthrowing the powers that be but it really won't take much more
we are at a breaking point in mho
i love the country and still believe in america and the dream
but that belief erodes a little more ever time i see that we are turning into latvia

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Re: A nuclear retaliation would have been better than boots on ground
Reply #24 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 5:13pm

commanman wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

you bring up some very good points
i, as many others, are upset with our government
we just have not reached the point of no return
it may be soon but for now we just have to live with the status quo
i am not to the point of overthrowing the powers that be but it really won't take much more
we are at a breaking point in mho
i love the country and still believe in america and the dream
but that belief erodes a little more ever time i see that we are turning into latvia

Wait, which points of mine are good ones? I don't actually believe that civilian and military targets should be treated the same, nor do I believe in overthrowing our current government in any way other than through an election.

I was trying to demonstrate the logical conclusion of your philosophy. I don't agree with it.

My point was that your ideology is similar in many ways to the philosophy of the terrorists. That is, that all people in an "enemy" country are equally good targets for destruction. I do not submit to this philosophy myself.

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Re: A nuclear retaliation would have been better than boots on ground
Reply #25 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 7:34pm

Maestro wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

Wait, which points of mine are good ones? I don't actually believe that civilian and military targets should be treated the same, nor do I believe in overthrowing our current government in any way other than through an election.

I was trying to demonstrate the logical conclusion of your philosophy. I don't agree with it.

My point was that your ideology is similar in many ways to the philosophy of the terrorists. That is, that all people in an "enemy" country are equally good targets for destruction. I do not submit to this philosophy myself.

not all people of a country are or should be targets of destruction
but as in any war there are innocents that will die
that is one reason i have not called for a full out revolt over the likes of the c.o.e., e.p.a., d.o.e. and many other government agencies (many of which i have worked for)
but the time is comming that the moles that work in all these agencies must be cut off
the first place would be with their funding

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