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Re: Question 1 For Atheists
Reply #30 - Jun 25^th, 2012 at 10:28am

joe_christian wrote on Jun 25^th, 2012 at 9:45am:

Ok, but you have just posted observable evidence to substantiate our mutual claim that we believe exactly what we "want to believe, and naught else." You choose to believe all of the above because you are convinced

Becoming convinced of something is not necessarily a process of faith. It can also be a process dominated by weight of evidence, a very different thing, and one which dispenses with a need for faith.

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Re: Question 1 For Atheists
Reply #31 - Jun 25^th, 2012 at 11:09am

Sandy wrote on Jun 25^th, 2012 at 10:28am:

Becoming convinced of something is not necessarily a process of faith.

Faith is a process? If so, would that not necessitate "faith" in the process? Roll Eyes

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It can also be a process dominated by weight of evidence, a very different thing, and one which dispenses with a need for faith.

The process of becoming convinced of something necessitates not only faith in one's convictions but faith in the fact that all of the evidence has been presented and justifies one's conclusions about the "evidence."

Without faith in the presumed predictability of a repeatable scientific experiment or demonstration, what scientist would dare risk or stake his reputation on it? Even a magician has faith in his audience's inability to distinguish illusion from reality. So must the evolutionist also have faith in his reader's inability to distinguish illusion from reality.

Now, tell us why your belief in evolution is not a deluded fantasy originally fabricated by Darwin and explain how some sort of subhuman ape-like creatures in Africa were able to "evolve" into the first black African men and women on earth, if you are able to.

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Re: Question 1 For Atheists
Reply #33 - Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:08am

joe_christian wrote on Jun 25^th, 2012 at 11:09am:

Faith is a process? If so, would that not necessitate "faith" in the process? Roll Eyes

Faith is a leap in the dark, with you unable to see if there's a landing point. That you happen to find one doesn't justify another leap of faith: that reasoning is the foundation of the Gambler's Fallacy. Because faith has nothing to do with reasoning (except as post priori rationalization) it is an irrational process: you begin with your conclusion, the seek evidence justifying it, keeping only what does, throwing the rest away. Building up a case by evidence is a deliberately rational process, beginning with a question and deliberately examining all the available evidence to see whether an agreeing conclusion is merited.

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Re: Question 1 For Atheists
Reply #34 - Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:16am

joe_christian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

Since no one seems able to explain how and when humans and human consciousness come into existence it should be safe to assume that God created the earth, sun, moon, stars and all living things on earth, including humans, in six days and rested on the seventh, the Sabbath Day.

This ^^^ is the way insane people "reason." One may as well say, and with every bit as much validity, "since no one seems able to explain how and when humans and human consciousness come into existence it should be safe to assume that the great god Mnhweidfsigbkl, shat the world into existence 50 billion years ago, then, having finally created it, and seeing it was good, went out for coffee and never came back." The insane person believes if another remains silent or says, "I don't know," then that suffices as "positive evidence" supporting whatever view the insane person champions.

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Re: Question 1 For Atheists
Reply #35 - Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:19am

Sandy wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:16am:

This ^^^ is the way insane people "reason." One may as well say, and with every bit as much validity, "since no one seems able to explain how and when humans and human consciousness come into existence it should be safe to assume that the great god Mnhweidfsigbkl, shat the world into existence 50 billion years ago, then, having finally created it, and seeing it was good, went out for coffee and never came back." The insane person believes if another remains silent or says, "I don't know," then that suffices as "positive evidence" supporting whatever view the insane person champions.

Does this sick crap pass for intelligence where you come from?

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Re: Question 1 For Atheists
Reply #36 - Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:38am

Sandy wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

Faith is a leap in the dark, with you unable to see if there's a landing point. {/quote]
You just justified my lack of faith in your claim about faith.

[quote]That you happen to find one doesn't justify another leap of faith: that reasoning is the foundation of the Gambler's Fallacy.

Yet you have faith that "reasoning is the foundation of the Gambler's Fallacy" after just stating that "faith is a leap in the dark!" Grin

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Because faith has nothing to do with reasoning (except as post priori rationalization) it is an irrational process:

So it would be irrational of me to either believe or have faith in what you just wrote! Grin

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you begin with your conclusion, the seek evidence justifying it, keeping only what does, throwing the rest away.

That's precisely what Darwinists like you do. God willing, you will finally realize and admit it.

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Building up a case by evidence is a deliberately rational process, beginning with a question and deliberately examining all the available evidence to see whether an agreeing conclusion is merited.

Agreed. What evidence is available to both of us whereby we may see what conclusion about the question of evolution is merited?

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Sandy LNF Party Leader Offline I Love Liberty News Forum! Posts: 4,604 Right here Gender:	Re: Question 1 For Atheists Reply #37 - Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:57am Jack Fate wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:19am: Does this sick crap pass for intelligence where you come from? Can you make a cogent argument against what I said? Please, try. Defend the lunatic, if you can.
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Jack Fate LNF Representative2 Offline I Love Liberty News Forum! Posts: 2,732	Re: Question 1 For Atheists Reply #38 - Jul 5^th, 2012 at 11:02am Sandy wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:57am: Can you make a cogent argument against what I said? Please, try. Defend the lunatic, if you can. There is no arguing against mental illness.
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Sandy LNF Party Leader Offline I Love Liberty News Forum! Posts: 4,604 Right here Gender:	Re: Question 1 For Atheists Reply #39 - Jul 5^th, 2012 at 11:17am Jack Fate wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 11:02am: There is no arguing against mental illness. Tucking tail again, I see. You do that very well. Well, bye-bye.
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