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Re: Paul: Vaccines can cause 'profound mental disorders'
Reply #60 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 9:39am
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Lomelis wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 10:46pm:
I was under the impression that they were directly asked these questions, not that they just brought this topic up out of nowhere.  Neither one has taken an anti-vax stance.

If they take an anti-vax stance it will hurt moderate support, but the point is neither one has done so, their comments have been taken out of context and twisted, and you seem to be buying into it to a certain extant.


To you and Seawolf -- welcome to the world of the Wedge Issue!  Republicans have been hoisting petards like this for decades.  Abortion!  Illegals!  Sales restrictions at gun shows!  Burning the US flag!

So to an extent, I agree with you.  If this anti-vax thing isn't being formulated into a wedge by the democrats yet, it soon will be.  All the more reason to defuse it now and openly declare that vaccination is safe, medically sound, and morally required, and that this is one case where some kind of legal requirements actually do make sense, even if only the mild ones that require public school kids to get vaxed.

BUT NO REPUBLICANS WILL DO THAT.  Republican orthodoxy on "government" and "regulation" has become so lockstep that it has become impossible to take a reasonable stance even on a clear-cut issue like this.  It's going to poison your well just as surely as the anti-tax orthodoxy, in which every republican primary candidate declared that they would oppose absolutely every dollar of new taxes even if it were accompanied by ten dollars of spending cuts.

Vaccinations fall right along the fault line of where one person's freedom can harm another, where government regulation has actually succeeded.  If the dems can peel moderates away from the republican base by shining a light on this, they'd be stupid not to.
  

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Re: Paul: Vaccines can cause 'profound mental disorders'
Reply #61 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 9:56am
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What if I somebody already has one?
  

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Reply #62 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 6:24pm
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commanman wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 9:10pm:
is this what caused your wife and daughter's problems you lying pos?
still in a fox hole while posting HERO?



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Re: Paul: Vaccines can cause 'profound mental disorders'
Reply #63 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 9:57pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Feb 5th, 2015 at 9:39am:
To you and Seawolf -- welcome to the world of the Wedge Issue!  Republicans have been hoisting petards like this for decades.  Abortion!  Illegals!  Sales restrictions at gun shows!  Burning the US flag!

So to an extent, I agree with you.  If this anti-vax thing isn't being formulated into a wedge by the democrats yet, it soon will be.  All the more reason to defuse it now and openly declare that vaccination is safe, medically sound, and morally required,


Every person asked has said just that.

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and that this is one case where some kind of legal requirements actually do make sense, even if only the mild ones that require public school kids to get vaxed.

BUT NO REPUBLICANS WILL DO THAT. 


Ben Carson already did. 

Which democrat has?

The only one I know of that has even been asked is Obama, through his spokesperson, who refused to answer.

But, other than that, nobody asks democrats that.  Why?  Are they afraid of the answer?

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Republican orthodoxy on "government" and "regulation" has become so lockstep that it has become impossible to take a reasonable stance even on a clear-cut issue like this.  It's going to poison your well just as surely as the anti-tax orthodoxy, in which every republican primary candidate declared that they would oppose absolutely every dollar of new taxes even if it were accompanied by ten dollars of spending cuts.

Vaccinations fall right along the fault line of where one person's freedom can harm another, where government regulation has actually succeeded.  If the dems can peel moderates away from the republican base by shining a light on this, they'd be stupid not to.


Why would they be stupid not to?  They would be shining a light equally on themselves.

You keep avoiding the fact that the very worst of these statements by republicans are exactly in line with what we know about Obama AND Clinton.  So why are you pushing this so hard?

You are acting like republicans are RFK Jr., and like RFK Jr. is not a democrat.

And, if they succeed as you want, think of the damage it will do to their image in Pelosi's district.  The anti-vaccine epicenter.
  
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Re: Paul: Vaccines can cause 'profound mental disorders'
Reply #64 - Feb 6th, 2015 at 12:10am
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Wow. If FC works any harder to make this a Republican issue he's gonna have a hernia.
  

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Re: Paul: Vaccines can cause 'profound mental disorders'
Reply #65 - Feb 7th, 2015 at 5:12am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Feb 5th, 2015 at 9:39am:
To you and Seawolf -- welcome to the world of the Wedge Issue!  Republicans have been hoisting petards like this for decades.  Abortion!  Illegals!  Sales restrictions at gun shows!  Burning the US flag!

So to an extent, I agree with you.  If this anti-vax thing isn't being formulated into a wedge by the democrats yet, it soon will be.  All the more reason to defuse it now and openly declare that vaccination is safe, medically sound, and morally required, and that this is one case where some kind of legal requirements actually do make sense, even if only the mild ones that require public school kids to get vaxed.

BUT NO REPUBLICANS WILL DO THAT.  Republican orthodoxy on "government" and "regulation" has become so lockstep that it has become impossible to take a reasonable stance even on a clear-cut issue like this.  It's going to poison your well just as surely as the anti-tax orthodoxy, in which every republican primary candidate declared that they would oppose absolutely every dollar of new taxes even if it were accompanied by ten dollars of spending cuts.

Vaccinations fall right along the fault line of where one person's freedom can harm another, where government regulation has actually succeeded.  If the dems can peel moderates away from the republican base by shining a light on this, they'd be stupid not to.


Those that have been questioned about it have done exactly that.  They have fully endorsed vaccinating children and have admitted to get their own children vaccinating their own children.  You are having a problem with their stipulation with them saying that parents should have the freedom to make that decision.  That isn't an anti-vax or anti-science position, it's a pro freedom of choice position, but it's being twisted into something different because people some people are crappity smacking retarded.
  

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Re: Paul: Vaccines can cause 'profound mental disorders'
Reply #66 - Feb 7th, 2015 at 1:24pm
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Who actually said "don't get you kids vaccinated"?
  

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Re: Paul: Vaccines can cause 'profound mental disorders'
Reply #67 - Feb 7th, 2015 at 3:03pm
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Perhaps the issue is more complex than we believe.

This article is a good counter argument to the prevalent idea that one has a moral duty to vaccinate their kids, or that the science on vaccines is settled.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-06/guest-post-how-vaccine-hysteria-could-s...
  

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Re: Paul: Vaccines can cause 'profound mental disorders'
Reply #68 - Feb 7th, 2015 at 5:03pm
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90% of the ones who check in here must have been vaccinated.   Grin Grin
  

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Re: Paul: Vaccines can cause 'profound mental disorders'
Reply #69 - Feb 7th, 2015 at 5:10pm
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just_me wrote on Feb 7th, 2015 at 5:03pm:
90% of the ones who check in here must have been vaccinated.   Grin Grin


Why does that matter? I'm pretty sure, from the responses so far, that 100% of the responders are for vaccines.
  
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