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Reply #10 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:10pm
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Actually, that video is really something.  You want an insight into the mindset of Russians who like Putin: there you go.  Everyone here should watch it...but we are more concerned with the tin-pot Iranian regime that maybe, one day, will get a nuke.  Meanwhile Russia has 8,000 nukes.
  


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Reply #11 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:10pm
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Zephyr wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:06pm:
Does that give them the right to take over part of a nation?


They did that a looong time ago.

Didn't the Ukranians welcome the Nazis as liberators?

Just how bad were this occupant's grandparents, that Hitler seemed like a good thing?
  

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Reply #12 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:11pm
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Frank1 wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:10pm:
Actually, that video is really something.  You want an insight into the mindset of Russians who like Putin: there you go.  Everyone here should watch it...but we are more concerned with the tin-pot Iranian regime that maybe, one day, will get a nuke.  Meanwhile Russia has 8,000 nukes.



Yeah, but (because Islam) Iran is worse.
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:11pm
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I will save you the trip to youtube:

  


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Reply #14 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:16pm
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Zephyr wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:06pm:
Does that give them the right to take over part of a nation?


Who gives out the "rights" to engage in just activities?
  


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Reply #15 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:19pm
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Limey wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:10pm:
They did that a looong time ago.

Didn't the Ukranians welcome the Nazis as liberators?

Just how bad were this occupant's grandparents, that Hitler seemed like a good thing?

I am not going to even pretend to know

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I thought when the wall came down, Ukraine and Poland and some other countries became independent from Russia?

Am I wrong?

Does Russia have the right to parts of the Ukraine?

  
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Reply #16 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:22pm
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Zephyr wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:19pm:
Does Russia have the right to parts of the Ukraine?


The better question to ask is "What do Russians think?"

In the 20th century the West moved away from the idea of conquering other peoples, and then taking their resources, to the idea that we could get richer if instead we peacefully traded with these countries.

Fair enough.

But did this idea ever take hold in Russia?  I do not think so.  They are still operating on the idea that "might makes right" and that there is a value to militarily occupying foreign countries.  If they can take over Ukraine, or part of it, and get away with it, they will.
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Reply #17 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:24pm
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Frank1 wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:22pm:
The better question to ask is "What do Russians think?"

In the 20th century the West moved away from the idea of conquering other peoples, and then taking their resources, to the idea that we could get richer if instead we peacefully traded with this countries.

Fair enough.

But did this idea ever take hold in Russia?  I do not think so.  They are still operating on the idea that "might makes right" and that there is a value to militarily occupying foreign countries.  If they can take over Ukraine, or part of it, and get away with it, they will.


They've always been primitive bastards.

I hated the USSR even as a devout 1980s Commie.

Totalitarianists need willing slaves just like kleptocrats do; the Russians have no self respect.
  

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Re: Hi! I'm a Russian Occupant
Reply #18 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:30pm
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Zephyr wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:19pm:
I am not going to even pretend to know

But

I thought when the wall came down, Ukraine and Poland and some other countries became independent from Russia?

Am I wrong?

Does Russia have the right to parts of the Ukraine?


Poland was technically an independent nation but part of the Warsaw Pact.

The Ukraine was a constituent Republic of the USSR, with much of it annexed by the Red Army soon before WW2, much to the dismay of the populace.
  

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Reply #19 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:32pm
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Limey wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:24pm:
They've always been primitive bastards.

I hated the USSR even as a devout 1980s Commie.

Totalitarianists need willing slaves just like kleptocrats do; the Russians have no self respect.


On the other hand our peaceful trading with non-Western nations has been a type of colonization.  It has certainly affected the traditional economic, religious and cultural value structures of non-Western cultures to a very large extent.  China has been more Westernized with the help of Western companies over the last few decades than it ever was when all our countries had military forces occupying them.
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