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Reply #20 - Mar 10th, 2015 at 7:33pm
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Archie wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 3:45pm:
OK Thor, you ready to go?

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Re: Illegals mobilizing in Selma
Reply #21 - Mar 10th, 2015 at 8:30pm
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They want citizenship?  Be careful what you wish for.

When citizens break the law, they receive punishment appropriate to the infraction.

The punishment for illegal entry into the country is deportation.

Round 'em up.

  

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Re: Illegals mobilizing in Selma
Reply #22 - Mar 10th, 2015 at 9:17pm
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Demos wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 7:17pm:
Then why cite Hilter?

Which has what to do with finding and deporting about 12 million people?

Ok.† Roll Eyes

Again, that doesn't really address the issue of how you round up 12 million people.

That doesn't really address how you go about finding and deporting the 12 million already here.

Ok, didn't say you did, but then you just admit you wouldn't mind such a policy.


Why cite Hitler? Who else do you remember that rounded up 12 million people? And I am sure he and his policies were nowhere near as good as what we have now. I am sure we can find and round up all illegals. I am sure we can transport them to the boarder and it would cost a lot less than Obamacare and cure a lot more problems than Obamacare will.  I have no use for Hitler, I am glad he is dead. He was a total idiot, and if he could do a round up, I am sure we can. And if we donít do it and soon, this will be a country full of other countries and another shit hole like the rest of them.
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Re: Illegals mobilizing in Selma
Reply #23 - Mar 10th, 2015 at 9:48pm
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Archie wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
Why cite Hitler? Who else do you remember that rounded up 12 million people?

And how did he accomplish it? Through a totalitarian state.

Here's another example of someone who rounded up millions of people in pogroms: the Russians. Hmmm, an absolutist state.

Should I go on?
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Reply #24 - Mar 10th, 2015 at 10:11pm
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Demos wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 9:48pm:
And how did he accomplish it? Through a totalitarian state.

Here's another example of someone who rounded up millions of people in pogroms: the Russians. Hmmm, an absolutist state.

Should I go on?


You are talking about dictators murdering people. We have law enforcement and the means to use it accordingly.
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Reply #25 - Mar 10th, 2015 at 11:59pm
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Archie wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 10:11pm:
You are talking about dictators murdering people.

You're the one who cited Hitler's ability to round people up as an exemplar.

And, for the record, Hitler was enforcing the law as well.
  
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Re: Illegals mobilizing in Selma
Reply #26 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:31pm
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Demos wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 11:59pm:
You're the one who cited Hitler's ability to round people up as an exemplar.

And, for the record, Hitler was enforcing the law as well.


OK, so what do you suggest we do with 12 million people that have kicked our law aside and are now spiting in your eye daring you to do something about it. Demanding what they want, screw us and our laws, screw America, we have no right to a border. Just flop over and take advantage of all the programs we have in place in case our civilians need a break. Let them stay, invite more, soon they will vote into power just what they ran away from, because they are ignorant, and so are you if you canít  see that this is a serious problem. We have the means to round them up and ship them, and when that starts many will flee on their own. Especially the criminals that we havenít found yet.
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Reply #27 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:37pm
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Demos wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 11:59pm:
You're the one who cited Hitler's ability to round people up as an exemplar.

And, for the record, Hitler was enforcing the law as well.



  
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Re: Illegals mobilizing in Selma
Reply #28 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:39pm
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Archie wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:31pm:
OK, so what do you suggest we do with 12 million people...

Given that I'd rather not create the police state necessary to track them down and find them, you have to take a few steps.

The first step is securing the border (and not through smoke and mirrors). This means not only our physical borders, but also addressing individuals who over stay their visas, etc.

The second is making sure that businesses can get the labor they need without resorting to illegal migration. The Bracero program and others like it can provide a model for that.

Third, deport illegal immigrants who are arrested by local, state or federal authorities.

Fourth, after these are done, you will have to grant some conditional amnesty to anyone who remains - paying back taxes, becoming a citizen, military service, etc.

Fifth, work with Latin American governments to address the root causes of illegal immigration - poverty, violence, government corruption, etc.
  
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Re: Illegals mobilizing in Selma
Reply #29 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 1:20pm
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Demos wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:39pm:
Given that I'd rather not create the police state necessary to track them down and find them, you have to take a few steps.

The first step is securing the border (and not through smoke and mirrors). This means not only our physical borders, but also addressing individuals who over stay their visas, etc.

The second is making sure that businesses can get the labor they need without resorting to illegal migration. The Bracero program and others like it can provide a model for that.

Third, deport illegal immigrants who are arrested by local, state or federal authorities.

Fourth, after these are done, you will have to grant some conditional amnesty to anyone who remains - paying back taxes, becoming a citizen, military service, etc.

Fifth, work with Latin American governments to address the root causes of illegal immigration - poverty, violence, government corruption, etc.


You have good views up to this point:

None of this is good, and no, we donít deal with any other countries about our immigration law. Let them solve their own problem, we are involved in way too many places all over the world now.

Fourth, after these are done, you will have to grant some conditional amnesty to anyone who remains - paying back taxes, becoming a citizen, military service, etc.

Fifth, work with Latin American governments to address the root causes of illegal immigration - poverty, violence, government corruption, etc.


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