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Re: Disappointed in Rand Paul
Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 3:14pm
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Demos wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 1:00pm:
And Ron Paul never won anything outside of a Congressional election.

Rand isn't going to win by being his father.


He doesn't have to because he's already not his father based on his age and his charisma.

Which is all that Ron Paul had against him.  His lack of charisma and his advanced age. 

The movement is big enough that if Ron were 10 years younger he could be a contender.  And it's because of his integrity that he drew so many leftists like myself.  Sans integrity he doesn't even make a ripple on Guy Fawke's day.

Rand needs to be very careful with his integrity if he wants to win the general.  Because I think that's the only thing that will attracts enough reasonable center and left of center votes.  Staunchly claiming to be a Constitutionalist and then doing something that can easily be construed as a Constitutional violation may be red meat to the base but it starts to rot and stink about the time of the general elections.  (See what I did there!? Are you not entertained!?!?  Damn that's corny)

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Re: Disappointed in Rand Paul
Reply #11 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 3:20pm
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Which is all that Ron Paul had against him. His lack of charisma and his advanced age.

That's not why Ron Paul lost a U.S. Senate race in 1984. Like I said, he's never won any thing outside of a Congressional election, and age and charisma (or lack thereof) aren't the reasons.

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The movement is big enough that if Ron were 10 years younger he could be a contender.

If the movement were big enough, his age wouldn't matter.

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And it's because of his integrity that he drew so many leftists like myself.

Did you vote in the 2008 or 2012 Republican primary?

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Rand needs to be very careful with his integrity if he wants to win the general.

If Rand wants to win the general, he has to win the Republican primary first.

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Staunchly claiming to be a Constitutionalist and then doing something that can easily be construed as a Constitutional violation may be red meat to the base but it starts to rot and stink about the time of the general elections.

Do you really think constitutional arguments will be a big issue in the campaign, particularly if Hillary is running?
  
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Re: Disappointed in Rand Paul
Reply #12 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 3:41pm
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I applaud Rand Paul and everyone who signed the letter. I hope no agreement is reached with those sand monkeys.
  


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Re: Disappointed in Rand Paul
Reply #13 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 3:55pm
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Jasmine wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 3:41pm:
I applaud Rand Paul and everyone who signed the letter. I hope no agreement is reached with those sand monkeys.


Why?

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Re: Disappointed in Rand Paul
Reply #14 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 4:00pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 3:55pm:
Why?

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Because those worthless sand monkeys can never be trusted. Better to wipe them out than appease them.
  


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Reply #15 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 4:02pm
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Demos wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 3:20pm:
That's not why Ron Paul lost a U.S. Senate race in 1984. Like I said, he's never won any thing outside of a Congressional election, and age and charisma (or lack thereof) aren't the reasons.


I think charisma played big against him in 1984 as well.

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If the movement were big enough, his age wouldn't matter.


Yes it would, because a movement has to gather mainstream support.  And the age of a presidential candidate is a factor in whether or not it can.  You'd probably know better than I but I'm gonna pester you about it until you explain why it's not a factor, especially when coupled with his charisma issues Smiley

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Did you vote in the 2008 or 2012 Republican primary?


As many times as I've harped about my experiences in the 2008 Republican primaries as a delegate for Ron Paul I'm surprised you're asking.  Ron Paul was done in primarily by his supporters, and watching it play out at town hall meetings had a pretty big impact on me.

I just invalidated my own point.  I see it now.  Integrity gathered nuts.  Integrity means beans in the elections when that's the result. 

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If Rand wants to win the general, he has to win the Republican primary first.


But lessons need to be learned from McCain.  If you go too far in the primaries you lose the general.

Rand didn't need the support of signing onto this letter to win the primaries. 

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Do you really think constitutional arguments will be a big issue in the campaign, particularly if Hillary is running?


You can rest your case with this.  I see your point.

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Re: Disappointed in Rand Paul
Reply #16 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 4:11pm
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Jasmine wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 4:00pm:
Because those worthless sand monkeys can never be trusted. Better to wipe them out than appease them.


And how do you propose they be wiped out?

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Re: Disappointed in Rand Paul
Reply #17 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 4:23pm
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I think charisma played big against him in 1984 as well...

Yes it would, because a movement has to gather mainstream support...

You'd probably know better than I but I'm gonna pester you about it until you explain why it's not a factor, especially when coupled with his charisma issues.

Paul's been running on the same message for President since 1988, when he ran as a Libertarian; he's failed to gather mainstream support at any time during those years. Paul's problem is that his message was never appealing to Republican primary voters for better or worse.

I don't know why you think Paul has charisma issues. He's more charismatic than George H. W. Bush, John McCain or Mitt Romney - all of whom won the Republican nomination (and one of whom won the general election).

As for age, McCain was 72 when he won the nomination in 2008; Paul was 73.

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As many times as I've harped about my experiences in the 2008 Republican primaries as a delegate for Ron Paul I'm surprised you're asking.

Well from about 2008 through 2010, I wasn't on here much, so I may have missed some of it.

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Ron Paul was done in primarily by his supporters...

Not sure why anyone would want them then. Wink

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I just invalidated my own point. I see it now. Integrity gathered nuts. Integrity means beans in the elections when that's the result.

Lol.

And yes, integrity is often not an issue in elections. If it was, most of the men who have been President would never have been sworn in.

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But lessons need to be learned from McCain. If you go too far in the primaries you lose the general.

On the other hand, I think the lengthy Democratic primary helped the Obama campaign and made them more ready for the general. McCain was just a bad candidate.

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Rand didn't need the support of signing onto this letter to win the primaries.

I'd argue otherwise. One of the concerns about Rand is that he may be too much like his father on foreign policy issues, and he is already being hit with the isolationist label, just as his father was (whether that's a correct or incorrect characterization is another debate).

That won't work in the 2016 Republican primary (it might have worked in 2000 when Bush campaigned against Clinton's use of the military).

So, this is Rand's way of staving off the obvious attacks of being an isolationist. And given some of his previous comments on Iran and challenging potential rivals, he can't come off in the primaries looking weak when dealing with what many Republicans see as an inherently evil state.

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You can rest your case with this. I see your point.

Victory!!!! Cool
  
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Re: Disappointed in Rand Paul
Reply #18 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 6:39pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 4:11pm:
And how do you propose they be wiped out?

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An unrelenting storm of bombs and missiles. Or maybe just a couple of bombs.
  


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Re: Disappointed in Rand Paul
Reply #19 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 6:42pm
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For signing that letter. That was a boneheaded move for someone who claims to be a Constitutional purist.

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How so? Kerry just admitted that the deal won't be legally binding.
  
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