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Re: Atlanta cheating scandal teachers go to cells in hand-cuffs
Reply #50 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 11:39am
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glen65 wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 11:25am:
*Chuckle* Right, you're foaming at the mouth over something which has nothing to do with the op.


Not according to Cenk,
He said quote† "Arresting them in the first place is crazy" You apparently
believe that nonsense yourself. That wasn't simply about punishment fitting a crime.
He was saying they shouldn't have been arrested at all.


Now you dilute this even further using another unrelated subject.†

Here Wad take some of this, and come back after your rabid behavior clears up.
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Admit it.  The punishment does not suit the crime.  My comparisons make perfect sense.  You on the other hand, make no sense at all.
  

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Re: Atlanta cheating scandal teachers go to cells in hand-cuffs
Reply #51 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 4:06pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 11:39am:
Admit it.† The punishment does not suit the crime.


Iíll answer that,† but first here's what you said earlier..
Wadsworth wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:24am:
You really think it is justified for teachers to go to jail for 20 years for cheating on test.†


So you're suggesting here that these teachers could receive 20 years for simply cheating on a test. Wrong, that's hardly what this is all about. You leave a key element out of this downplaying what happened. This case isn't only about the cheating which occurred on the tests.
It also involves money. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in illegal money was mixed up in this whole mess. That's why these people were found guilty of racketeering, and just because this might not be a mobster scenario does not mean RICO doesn't apply to them. That's just† typically what its used for.

But there's also another important part of this, the kids. The school systems involved with this had
poor reputations. So instead relying solely on actually improving student performance,
what the teachers activity essentially did here was lower the performance standards.
They were artificially boosting the reputation of the schools. Plus they were boosting their bank account as a bonus. So who ultimately gets cheated in the end with all of this? Students.† You would be a total fool to deny the significant repercussions this can have on their future. Thatís because their education performance was being falsified. Whatever academic shortfalls the student might have, leading to the lower scores being propped up, ends up not getting properly addressed, just covered up.†

So what you had was educators making money, and gaining reputation at the expense of the students.

So now to address what you said,
When one takes a look at the whole picture, I not only deny it, but it shows even further
the punishment does indeed fit the crime. But all of your moaning about wall street, won't
allow you to see more than 2 feet past your face with this.†

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My comparisons make perfect sense.† You on the other hand, make no sense at all.

You're the one with a problem here.
You keep trying to use subjects which are not even related to the op. Plus you make this look as though they are going to be sentenced to 20 years for simply cheating on some tests, that's not the case.

Now as for the 20 year sentence, thereís no way they are going to serve anywhere near the full term anyway.
Those who actually do prison time will likely serve just a small fraction of the sentence.
The system will turn them loose pretty early, and will probably be required to perform community service.†
So stop worrying about it.
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Re: Atlanta cheating scandal teachers go to cells in hand-cuffs
Reply #52 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 7:22pm
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glen65 wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 4:06pm:
Iíll answer that,† but first here's what you said earlier..

So you're suggesting here that these teachers could receive 20 years for simply cheating on a test. Wrong, that's hardly what this is all about. You leave a key element out of this downplaying what happened. This case isn't only about the cheating which occurred on the tests.
It also involves money. Hundreds of millions of dollars in illegal money was mixed up in this whole mess. That's why these people were found guilty of racketeering, and just because this might not be a mobster scenario does not mean RICO doesn't apply to them. That's just† typically what its used for.

But there's also another important part of this, the kids. The school systems involved with this had
poor reputations. So instead relying solely on actually improving student performance,
what the teachers activity essentially did here was lower the performance standards.
They were artificially boosting the reputation of the schools. Plus they were boosting their bank account as a bonus. So who ultimately gets cheated in the end with all of this? Students.† You would be a total fool to deny the significant repercussions this can have on their future. Thatís because their education performance was being falsified. Whatever academic shortfalls the student might have, leading to the lower scores being propped up, ends up not getting properly addressed, just covered up.†

So what you had was educators making money, and gaining reputation at the expense of the students.

So now to address what you said,
When one takes a look at the whole picture, I not only deny it, but it shows even further
the punishment does indeed fit the crime. But all of your moaning about wall street, won't
allow you to see more than 2 feet past your face with this.†

You're the one with a problem here.
You keep trying to use subjects which are not even related to the op. Plus you make this look as though they are going to be sentenced to 20 years for simply cheating on some tests, that's not the case.

Now as for the 20 year sentence, thereís no way they are going to serve anywhere near the full term anyway.
Those who actually do prison time will likely serve just a small fraction of the sentence.
The system will turn them loose pretty early, and will probably be required to perform community service.†
So stop worrying about it.

Please, the teacher Merit pay would be no more that a couple of thousand dollars.  Unlike the racketeering done on Wall Street.
  

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Re: Atlanta cheating scandal teachers go to cells in hand-cuffs
Reply #53 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 7:50pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 7:22pm:
Please, the teacher Merit pay would be no more that a couple of thousand dollars.† Unlike the racketeering done on Wall Street.


Lower amounts of money to an individual doesn't make it legal. Plus the case is not only
going to be looked at from such a limited standpoint anyway. This case involves much more money overall which is not going to be simply ignored in a court of law. You're still not looking at the whole scope of this, instead clinging to your irrelevant wall street comparisons.

But as I said earlier, this 20 year sentence you're so in a huff about isn't going to be fully
served anyway. Their stay will likely be fairly short.† †† †


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Reply #54 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:01pm
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glen65 wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 7:50pm:
Lower amounts of money to an individual don't make it legal. Plus the case is not only
going to be looked at from such a limited standpoint anyway. This case involves hundreds of millions of dollars overall which is not going to be simply ignored in a court of law. You're still not looking at the whole scope of this, instead clinging to your irrelevant wall street comparisons.

But as I said earlier, this 20 year sentence you're so in a huff about isn't going to be fully
served anyway. Their stay will likely be fairly short.† †† †




You are totally ignoring my point here.  The law should not apply to some of a lesser crime and not apply to others of a more serious crime.  Get It?
  

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Reply #55 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:09pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 7:22pm:
Please, the teacher Merit pay would be no more that a couple of thousand dollars.† Unlike the racketeering done on Wall Street.

So a shoplifting ring that got caught with a couple thousand in goods in their car is just a minor thing and shouldn't be prosecuted! What of the 100's of millions in losses retail market pass on to the consumer every year because of those thefts?
Same thing but this time it's stealing from the kids education and from the taxpayer! I don't believe they will get the max. Probably a slap on the hand but they should lose their teaching certificates because they have shown they cannot be trusted. Huh Huh
  

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Reply #56 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:11pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:01pm:
You are totally ignoring my point here.† The law should not apply to some of a lesser crime and not apply to others of a more serious crime.† Get It?

Are you saying when they catch someone doing insider trading they don't prosecute? Shocked Shocked
  

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Re: Atlanta cheating scandal teachers go to cells in hand-cuffs
Reply #57 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:59pm
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Redbeard wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:09pm:
So a shoplifting ring that got caught with a couple thousand in goods in their car is just a minor thing and shouldn't be prosecuted! What of the 100's of millions in losses retail market pass on to the consumer every year because of those thefts?
Same thing but this time it's stealing from the kids education and from the taxpayer! I don't believe they will get the max. Probably a slap on the hand but they should lose their teaching certificates because they have shown they cannot be trusted. Huh Huh


Part of this goes well beyond the tax payer money itself. It has to do with any impact it has on the students themselves. Its pretty tough to put a price tag on the damage this sort of thing can cause. That's one of the reasons the verdicts given were not too harsh. A person graduating under theses circumstances, is going to be at a major disadvantage right from the start.
It is something that can potentially carry through for the rest of a persons life.† ††
  
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Reply #58 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:13pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:01pm:
You are totally ignoring my point here.† The law should not apply to some of a lesser crime and not apply to others of a more serious crime.† Get It?


Not at all, The wall street comparisons you keep bringing up simply aren't relevant to this.
If illegal activity is indeed taking place on wall street, I have not condoned it. And just because A person may not approach the wall street subject you keep harping on in the same fashioned as you do, doesn't prove they do, or see it as less important than a different case.
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Re: Atlanta cheating scandal teachers go to cells in hand-cuffs
Reply #59 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 11:36pm
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glen65 wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:13pm:
Not at all, The wall street comparisons you keep bringing up simply aren't relevant to this.
If illegal activity is indeed taking place on wall street, I have not condoned it. And just because A person may not approach the wall street subject you keep harping on in the same fashioned as you do, doesn't prove they do, or see it as less important than a different case.

Illegal activity TOOK place on Wall Street which cause the market to fall and the bail out.  And it does not matter if you have or have not condoned it.  The fact is that this judge has decided very harsh punishment on something that the government set up that was bound to fail.  Yes they ought to get fired and even lose their licenses to teach.  But sending them to jail is a waste of tax payer money.
  

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