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when you look at the last few hundred years....we have had some massive wars, killing many, usually lasting 4 years....yet when they are over, we seem to be able to get along....do you see jews blowing themselves up in german cafe's, or southerners blowing up fanueil ghall in boston, of Japanese revenging Hiroshima....have you ever seen wwii footage of England, Germany, france cities that were leveled...

I mean, if you wanted to rationalize behavior, you could think of a 1000 reasons none of us should be friends...yet our best allies today were once, for short periods, arch enemies who really took it out on one another....

I suppose that's why I have such little tolerance for nations/people that will point to someone taking a goat 2,000 years ago as a basis for non-stop violence. Why is it those in the ME seem to have had problems with everyone for the past 3000 years?
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 16th, 2015 at 11:42am
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You seem to have forgotten to mention Bosnia, Serbia, Chechnia and the Ukraine. 

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Europe was one massive war zone for centuries.

WWII was very much a case of people not being "able to get along" after WWI.  There has been peace for the most part in recent decades, but for a long time that was predicated by a cold war that threatened to turn hot at a moments notice.  If England and Germany and France managed to find a way not to attack each other, it might be because they didn't want to risk soviet intervention.

And technically, the Ukraine is in Europe, and it is pretty much at war.

The mideast has been a hot spot for a long time, it is true, although they have a long way before they can brag a body count as big as Europe's.  Part of it is that cheap easy money makes war possible and invites bad actors.  Part of it is that they have long been the site of proxy wars between the US and Russia.  And one of the bigger problems was created by Europe, when England created Israel, partially as a response to European wars and anti-semitism.

And you might say the US is peaceful, but we seem to average a new war every 20 years or so.  We conquered half of Mexico, foreclosed on Hawaii, and bought Alaska from a kleptocracy, all with some attendant violence.

Now we linger in an Afghan war that was directly related to our cold war proxy shenanigans, and in an Iraqi war that we started, in a country that Europeans invented, facing a civil war that England set up, and now facing ISIS because of an occupation we botched.
  

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Reply #3 - Apr 16th, 2015 at 12:04pm
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It has a lot to do with differences in opportunity, living standards and happiness.

When you are miserable and live a very uncertain life, violence and conflict tends to follow.
  

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petep wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 11:11am:
when you look at the last few hundred years....we have had some massive wars, killing many, usually lasting 4 years....yet when they are over, we seem to be able to get along....do you see jews blowing themselves up in german cafe's, or southerners blowing up fanueil ghall in boston, of Japanese revenging Hiroshima....have you ever seen wwii footage of England, Germany, france cities that were leveled...

I mean, if you wanted to rationalize behavior, you could think of a 1000 reasons none of us should be friends...yet our best allies today were once, for short periods, arch enemies who really took it out on one another....

I suppose that's why I have such little tolerance for nations/people that will point to someone taking a goat 2,000 years ago as a basis for non-stop violence. Why is it those in the ME seem to have had problems with everyone for the past 3000 years?


Europe has had a short period of peace because:

1.  The decision for war was taken from the Western Europeans after WWII and transferred to Moscow and Washington.
2.  Moscow and Washington knew that war between them would lead to mutually assured destruction.

A few decades of peace in Europe is not unprecedented.  After the defeat of Napoleon, Europe was mostly peaceful for a century...than came the carnage of WWI and WWII.

Also, look at Northern Ireland.  These are people who are about as closely related ethnically as one can get...Scottish settlers in Ireland and native Irish, two closely related Celtic peoples.

Now, supposedly Northern Ireland is now peaceful, but the tension is still there ready to explode...a few decades of prosperity has merely allowed the underlying hatreds to be submerged just enough for a very uneasy peace to prevail.

These are some of Belfast, Ireland's 'Peace Walls'.  These are walls built between Protestant and Catholic neighborhoods....yep, these people get along so well they cannot even look at each other.  This is self-imposed ethnic/religious segregation.





Economic prosperity does have a way of coating over animosities.  The West has experienced unprecedented prosperity since the end of WWII, and this has helped to submerge various rivalries for the time being.


  


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Today i would say religious fanatics are less violent in the west because there religions do not tell them to go out and kill infidels  10-4
  
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I should have referred to the people from these various countries get along....ie. while traveling...and not necessarily the gov'ts/war. if traveling Europe its common to see French, germans, Italians, danes etc all hanging out together....there's not this knee jerk "hate" mentality you see elsewhere....
  
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petep wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 1:04pm:
I should have referred to the people from these various countries get along....ie. while traveling...and not necessarily the gov'ts/war. if traveling Europe its common to see French, germans, Italians, danes etc all hanging out together....there's not this knee jerk "hate" mentality you see elsewhere....


So what people are you referring to that are not like this?
  


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Reply #8 - Apr 16th, 2015 at 1:15pm
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How many years of the last century has America been at war?
  
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Civilized people with less heathen religions?
  

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