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Apr 21st, 2015 at 8:59am
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Political campaigning is now about identity and not ideas?

The Rise of Hilary and the Death of Politics

Note that this article is not "about Hilary Clinton" so much as it is about the way the game of politics is being played has changed drastically over the past seven years.

"What this speaks to is the suffocating extent to which the politics of identity, the accident of who we are, the lottery of our natural characteristics, is now paramount in the political sphere, having violently elbowed aside the old politics of ideas, and substance, and conviction."

The author points out that Clinton herself has changed her strategy, to the applause of many in her party.
  

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Reply #1 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 10:51am
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Mercy For All wrote on Apr 21st, 2015 at 8:59am:
Political campaigning is now about identity and not ideas?

The Rise of Hilary and the Death of Politics

Note that this article is not "about Hilary Clinton" so much as it is about the way the game of politics is being played has changed drastically over the past seven years.

"What this speaks to is the suffocating extent to which the politics of identity, the accident of who we are, the lottery of our natural characteristics, is now paramount in the political sphere, having violently elbowed aside the old politics of ideas, and substance, and conviction."

The author points out that Clinton herself has changed her strategy, to the applause of many in her party.


Political campaigning has always been about identity and not ideas. 

The "Old Hickory" campaign of Andrew Jackson, for example.

Tippecanoe and Tyler Too! (the "log cabin" candidate, William Henry Harrison) for another example.

The bloody shirt waving candidates of the latter half of the 1800', for a lot more. 

Politics has not changed since its origination.  I read an article many years ago about political advice given to a candidate for office in ancient Rome.  It could have been written yesterday.
  

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Reply #2 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 3:58am
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Americans   give votes for who is going to get them or give them something or who is the best golden goose that lays eggs that will be golden for them .

Obama being elected into power twice is a perfect example of this.

Americans in most part don't look into the backgrounds or care as long as there hearing they are going to get a good deal with who they vote into office .

Really all a candidate needs to do to win is make it known a vote for me you will get free   health ins    or  car or phone and money   and the other cadadites won't have a chance in hell against winning against you no matter how in detail you're great ideas that will really work are.

Americans like free things and great deals   and if you give them that   you get votes……….10-4!
  
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The presidential race has always been about identity with liberals, and we're in the most intense era of liberal identity politics.  Imagine a minimal person like Hussein being elected president if it weren't for his "identity"?  Picture someone with his exact background, but being a fat bald white guy.  Nobody out of Chicago would ever have heard of him.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:18am
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patrick2 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 4:24am:
The presidential race has always been about identity with liberals, and we're in the most intense era of liberal identity politics.  Imagine a minimal person like Hussein being elected president if it weren't for his "identity"?  Picture someone with his exact background, but being a fat bald white guy.  Nobody out of Chicago would ever have heard of him. 


I'm not sure this is a liberal vs. conservative thing...
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:08am
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Mercy For All wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:18am:
I'm not sure this is a liberal vs. conservative thing...


For many people, everything is a liberal vs. conservative thing. They assume that the only types of reasons people vote for the other party are that they are stupid or manipulated.
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:21pm
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Mercy For All wrote on Apr 21st, 2015 at 8:59am:
"What this speaks to is the suffocating extent to which the politics of identity, the accident of who we are, the lottery of our natural characteristics, is now paramount in the political sphere, having violently elbowed aside the old politics of ideas, and substance, and conviction."


I might modify this to say rather that aspects of our identity that are trivial and irrelevant are increasingly elevated over aspects that matter.

Though, I think democratic politics has always been this way to a large extent.  The nature of the beast of electoral democracy is that a lot of it is based on just selling a package, or image, to the masses.

Wrap it nice and shiny with big smiles, sprinkle either (depending on party) some homey wisdom or worn out progressive slogans on top, package, and ship.
  


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Reply #7 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:22pm
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EF wrote on Apr 21st, 2015 at 10:51am:
Political campaigning has always been about identity and not ideas. 

The "Old Hickory" campaign of Andrew Jackson, for example.

Tippecanoe and Tyler Too! (the "log cabin" candidate, William Henry Harrison) for another example.

The bloody shirt waving candidates of the latter half of the 1800', for a lot more. 

Politics has not changed since its origination.  I read an article many years ago about political advice given to a candidate for office in ancient Rome.  It could have been written yesterday.


Good post.


  


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