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TRUMP Is Prophetic
Aug 7th, 2015 at 3:47pm
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Trump is a Prophet of God warning us of the coming fall of America, as she rejects God, and He turns His back on this Country and no longer will Bless it.

Yet our God is a God of Mercy and Restoration of the Prodigals of this world who repent and seek his favor once again. So, there is hope for America, BUT only if there is a Religious Great Awakening among the population.

If TRUMP is nominated, and elected, either as a Republican or (if the Republican Party is unworthy of him) as head of a new party, similar to the overnight creation and success of the Republican Party that elected Lincoln and saved the Union. Maybe this new party could be named, GAP Great Again Party. Or perhaps as ATP America Trump Party.

In any case he is the only LEADER running. The rest of the pack are all good men, but just not real leaders, at least not the sort of leader we need to get us out of this hole we are in.

He is not fundamentally a partisan, he is a uniter not a divider. He has enough sense to know that nothing can be done without a consensus of both Liberals and Conservatives. FounderChurch@Gmail.Com

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Re: TRUMP Is Prophetic
Reply #1 - Aug 7th, 2015 at 4:52pm
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One question: how high are you right this second?
  

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I don't think Trump is a good man.
  

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Are you aware he is not a saved man?
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #4 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 2:23pm
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I was mulling over Trump's popularity with evangelicals, despite being laughably ignorant of Christianity and the Bible, not using biblical language in his speeches, and not living a model evangelical life.  Oddly enough, this old post came to mind, and it clicked: Trump really is a prophet.

The popular conception of a Tanakh (the Old Testament) prophet is someone who predicts the future, but that wasn't their primary message.  Primarily, prophets called for national renewal, revival, and purity in the name of the Yah-El religion.  This is exactly what Trump's message is: a call to national renewal and greatness, to Make America Great Again.  Probably wholly ignorant of the connection, Trump is aping the style and basic message of a number of Tanakh prophets.

Evangelicals are more deeply steeped in the Tanakh than any other branch of Christianity.  Evangelicals strongly identify with Israel & its struggles and turn to the Tanakh to justify beliefs and attitudes that don't really jive with Jesus's mostly pacifist and universalist teachings.  When Trump apes Elijah's style, evangelicals recognize something they deeply identify with, even if they don't understand the connection.  I think this explains Trump's support among evangelicals, despite much more evangelical Republican candidates (Huckabee, Cruz).

If Trump disgusts and unnerves you, remember that the prophets were not necessarily good men.  For example, at the end of the sacrifice contest between Elijah and the priests of Ba'al, Elijah directs the mob to attack Ba'al's priests.  The mob complied, murdering them with nary a peep from Elijah.  When the prophets destroyed the groves and slew the priests of other gods, that was someone's church and someone's pastor.
  

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Running Deer wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 2:23pm:
...If Trump disgusts and unnerves you, remember that the prophets were not necessarily good men.  For example, at the end of the sacrifice contest between Elijah and the priests of Ba'al, Elijah directs the mob to attack Ba'al's priests.  The mob complied, murdering them with nary a peep from Elijah.  When the prophets destroyed the groves and slew the priests of other gods, that was someone's church and someone's pastor.

That doesn't make them bad by biblical standards. Remember that back in those times god himself supposedly ordered a few of these massacres. God can't possibly do "bad things", so people may very well assume that these prophets were inspired by god to do these things that appear to you (and me) as bad, evil even.

IOW, you'll never convince a zealot with that kind of argument.
  

Non sequitur:

Helena Ann Basket wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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BowHunter wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 5:20pm:
That doesn't make them bad by biblical standards. Remember that back in those times god himself supposedly ordered a few of these massacres. God can't possibly do "bad things", so people may very well assume that these prophets were inspired by god to do these things that appear to you (and me) as bad, evil even.

IOW, you'll never convince a zealot with that kind of argument.

Yet we have judges who pass sentence on criminals who break the law, why would God not pass judgement on those who break his law?
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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BowHunter wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 5:20pm:
IOW, you'll never convince a zealot with that kind of argument.


You can't convince zealots of much of anything, because their religious beliefs are almost entirely emotional, not rational.  Reason and emotion are both necessary to think usefully, but some areas of thought require more reason than emotion, and vice versa.  (Analyzing "I love my wife" rationally is absurd.)

I didn't post the comparison to Elijah to convince any zealots to abandon their faith, nor do I expect any to do so.  I posted the comparison to head off an expected red herring response: namely, that the prophets were good men of God, and Trump isn't.
  

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Re: TRUMP Is Prophetic
Reply #8 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:04pm
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Running Deer wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 6:23pm:
You can't convince zealots of much of anything, because their religious beliefs are almost entirely emotional, not rational.  Reason and emotion are both necessary to think usefully, but some areas of thought require more reason than emotion, and vice versa.  (Analyzing "I love my wife" rationally is absurd.)

I didn't post the comparison to Elijah to convince any zealots to abandon their faith, nor do I expect any to do so.  I posted the comparison to head off an expected red herring response: namely, that the prophets were good men of God, and Trump isn't.

A lot of invalid claims and assumptions with very little facts.  I am 56, did not accept Jesus till I was 51.  I would say that it was my reasoning that led me to Christ, not my emotions.  There was no emotional need for him, but an understanding of God's law and the realization that I have broken his law and thus subject to his judgement.  This is what drove me to an understanding of his grace.  There were other issues I have contemplated on both sides regarding evolution vs. creation.  I also enjoy history and started out trying to determine just how flawed the history of the Bible is.  To my surprise, it is quite accurate, beyond what many actually thought.  So there was a logical thought process that drove me, ultimately it was God's law that opened my eyes and the realization I needed his mercy and grace.  Just thought I would give some insight to my thought process.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Seawolf wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:04pm:
A lot of invalid claims and assumptions with very little facts.  I am 56, did not accept Jesus till I was 51.  I would say that it was my reasoning that led me to Christ, not my emotions.  There was no emotional need for him, but an understanding of God's law and the realization that I have broken his law and thus subject to his judgement.  This is what drove me to an understanding of his grace.  There were other issues I have contemplated on both sides regarding evolution vs. creation.  I also enjoy history and started out trying to determine just how flawed the history of the Bible is.  To my surprise, it is quite accurate, beyond what many actually thought.  So there was a logical thought process that drove me, ultimately it was God's law that opened my eyes and the realization I needed his mercy and grace.  Just thought I would give some insight to my thought process.

I've seen you exert that "reasoning" you speak of and it is fraught with emotionalism, exaggeration and denial. I don't need to rely on your word, your posting is evidence enough. Contrary to what you may be fooling yourself to believe, you're not driven by reason but by emotionalism, it is in fact so ingrained in you that whenever you're faced with something you can't possibly deny you resort to the old Pascal wager as your only answer. You've done that so many times that that cliché clings to you like shit to a shovel.
So don't give that speech to anyone unless they are complete strangers who've never heard of you.
  

Non sequitur:

Helena Ann Basket wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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