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Re: TRUMP Is Prophetic
Reply #50 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 1:08pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 10:37pm:
The one key question no one can answer is how does life start out of nothing on it's own?


It makes no sense to imagine that we will not come to understand that process .. Artificial genetic code has already been created in the lab..

There was a time when we did not know how diseases worked.. but you cannot attribute what you do not understand or know to the actions of a god..

I think Neil deGrasse Tyson summed this up nicely..

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Does it mean, if you don’t understand something, and the community of physicists don’t understand it, that means God did it?

Is that how you want to play this game? Because if it is, here’s a list of things in the past that the physicists at the time didn’t understand [and now we do understand] [...].

If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem.

-Neil deGrasse Tyson


  

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Re: TRUMP Is Prophetic
Reply #51 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 10:39pm
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Fiddler wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 1:08pm:
It makes no sense to imagine that we will not come to understand that process .. Artificial genetic code has already been created in the lab..

There was a time when we did not know how diseases worked.. but you cannot attribute what you do not understand or know to the actions of a god..

I think Neil deGrasse Tyson summed this up nicely..

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Does it mean, if you don’t understand something, and the community of physicists don’t understand it, that means God did it?

Is that how you want to play this game? Because if it is, here’s a list of things in the past that the physicists at the time didn’t understand [and now we do understand] [...].

If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem.

-Neil deGrasse Tyson



Again, you provide nothing to fully prove there is no evidence of or much less an explanation how life accidently came into being out of nothing.  That is the fatal flaw with evolutionist.
  


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Re: TRUMP Is Prophetic
Reply #52 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 12:22am
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Fiddler wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 1:08pm:
It makes no sense to imagine that we will not come to understand that process .. Artificial genetic code has already been created in the lab..

There was a time when we did not know how diseases worked.. but you cannot attribute what you do not understand or know to the actions of a god..

I think Neil deGrasse Tyson summed this up nicely..

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Does it mean, if you don’t understand something, and the community of physicists don’t understand it, that means God did it?

Is that how you want to play this game? Because if it is, here’s a list of things in the past that the physicists at the time didn’t understand [and now we do understand] [...].

If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem.

-Neil deGrasse Tyson




The god of the gaps...
  

Non sequitur:

Bert and the Technicolor nuns wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Reply #53 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 2:20pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 10:37pm:
Maybe those anwers are enough for you to be convinced but they are not for me.  I am sure visa versa but there are far, far too many unanswered questions and no evidence of evolution as being the real answer to the beginning of life.


There is no evidence that:

1. The universe is less than 10,000 years old.
2. That a catastrophic Flood destroyed the Earth within the last 6000 years.
3. That the human population was reduced to 3 breeding pairs within the last 6000 years.
4. That most animals were reduced to a single breeding pair within the last 6000 years.
5. That two of each animal that ever existed could live in a 450-foot boat for a year.

If these were true, the evidence for them would absolutely, screamingly unmistakable from geology, biology, genetics, linguistics, history, and on and on.  But we haven't found any evidence for any of it.  If you've concerned about evidence, it's pretty clear that Creation and the Flood are poor choices for belief.  Of course, you don't care about evidence, as we've established many, many times.

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The one key question no one can answer is how does life start out of nothing on it's own?


We don't yet know.  Due to the difficulty of preserving microscopic evidence for a billion years or so, we'll probably never know.  But here's the kicker: this is a question for science, and if science can't answer due to lack of evidence, religion also can't answer it.

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Science can only speculate, outside of the Creator as to how it thinks life started.


The existence of a Creator is more speculative than the arising of life from complex organic chemicals.  LOL

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The point I understand is we have morality and a conscious of right and wrong.  We have laws and a court system to determine innocent and guilt, metting out justice.  No other species does this but man.


This is irrelevant to the questions of how life arose and how humans evolved.
  

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Reply #54 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 3:37pm
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Running Deer wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 2:20pm:
There is no evidence that:

1. The universe is less than 10,000 years old.
2. That a catastrophic Flood destroyed the Earth within the last 6000 years.
3. That the human population was reduced to 3 breeding pairs within the last 6000 years.
4. That most animals were reduced to a single breeding pair within the last 6000 years.
5. That two of each animal that ever existed could live in a 450-foot boat for a year.





Yea but what if Satan altered the evidence so that it only LOOKED like the Earth was over 6000 years old or that there was no global flood..  See.. there's just no way that we can know for sure .

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Re: TRUMP Is Prophetic
Reply #55 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 6:03pm
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Running Deer wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 2:20pm:
There is no evidence that:

1. The universe is less than 10,000 years old.
2. That a catastrophic Flood destroyed the Earth within the last 6000 years.
3. That the human population was reduced to 3 breeding pairs within the last 6000 years.
4. That most animals were reduced to a single breeding pair within the last 6000 years.
5. That two of each animal that ever existed could live in a 450-foot boat for a year.

If these were true, the evidence for them would absolutely, screamingly unmistakable from geology, biology, genetics, linguistics, history, and on and on.  But we haven't found any evidence for any of it.  If you've concerned about evidence, it's pretty clear that Creation and the Flood are poor choices for belief.  Of course, you don't care about evidence, as we've established many, many times.


We don't yet know.  Due to the difficulty of preserving microscopic evidence for a billion years or so, we'll probably never know.  But here's the kicker: this is a question for science, and if science can't answer due to lack of evidence, religion also can't answer it.


The existence of a Creator is more speculative than the arising of life from complex organic chemicals.  LOL


This is irrelevant to the questions of how life arose and how humans evolved.

Again, YOU may be satisfied that we have no ability to determine how life came out of nothing but I am not.  It is a void in your theory that does not appease my questions.  Again, we have multiple species that are interlinked for survival yet how does that happen in evolution so as to sustain either spieces?  That is an example.  This is an endless argument as you well know.
  


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Reply #56 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 6:04pm
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Fiddler wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 3:37pm:
Yea but what if Satan altered the evidence so that it only LOOKED like the Earth was over 6000 years old or that there was no global flood..  See.. there's just no way that we can know for sure .

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[/Fiddler]. By the way Satan was created, he has no power to create or alter God's creation.  Pervert it?  Yes, he is a master at perverting God's intent, purpose and design.
  


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Reply #57 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 6:38pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 6:03pm:
This is an endless argument as you well know. 


Absolutely not..  The answer is knowable..  Just as "Is the Earth at the center of the solar system?".. " What causes disease? ".. " How far away is that star? "

Those and countless others were once thought unknowable and now are known..  And so it will be with the spark of life.

But don't worry your little head..  Just as with other facts of science, you'll deny that the truth is known. For you to do otherwise would unwind your delusion.






  

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Reply #58 - Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:11pm
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Fiddler wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 6:38pm:
Absolutely not..  The answer is knowable..  Just as "Is the Earth at the center of the solar system?".. " What causes disease? ".. " How far away is that star? "

Those and countless others were once thought unknowable and now are known..  And so it will be with the spark of life.

But don't worry your little head..  Just as with other facts of science, you'll deny that the truth is known. For you to do otherwise would unwind your delusion.







If you want to cast insults, then expect me to edit your posts.  I will respect your remarks but if you want to act like an ass, I am going to delete your remarks.  It's up to you if you want to be civil or not.  My only warning.
  


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Reply #59 - Feb 19th, 2016 at 1:18pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 6:03pm:
Again, YOU may be satisfied that we have no ability to determine how life came out of nothing but I am not.


Then you should go get your biology Ph.D and get researching.

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Again, we have multiple species that are interlinked for survival yet how does that happen in evolution so as to sustain either spieces?


Good question, why don't you do some research and learn about it? 

In your flowers and bees example, as I said, flowers can be pollinated by animals besides bees, but wild bees eat almost nothing but pollen.  Flowering plants evolved first and were pollinated by other animals; later, bees evolved from wasps to eat pollen.  So that's one answer.

In many cases, though, species co-evolve with one another.  One very familiar example is humans and cattle.  Humans domesticated wild oxen, and in return, many humans have evolved to digest milk sugar (lactose) after infancy.  Lactase persistence evolved separately in several different human populations.

If you genuinely want the answers to these questions - you don't, but someone else reading might - there are plenty of resources to learn more about it.
  

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