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Re: Putting Income Inequality in Perspective
Reply #90 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 12:53am
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Fiddler wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:30pm:
For a Wonderboy you don't seem very bright.. What you suggest is not the opposite of what I said..

Better Quality Food = Better Health (less obesity) = Lower Healthcare Costs... Get it?





Oh I get it, it's clear that you are out of touch with reality.

Better quality and healthier food= Expensive= Equals poor people can't afford it.

Get it yet?
  

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Regulations are designed to protect the consumer and the worker.  If it doesn’t,it is not a regulation.



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Reply #91 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 1:23am
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TowardLiberty wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:02pm:
You claimed it was "set up," which implies some sort of planning rather than emergence.

Perhaps that is not what you meant to imply. But there it is.



You don't think the corporatism of America, and the decline of the middle class, was "set up"? It just "emerged"?

http://www.demos.org/blog/9/20/13/what-caused-middle-class-decline

"The emphasis on government choices is important. And yet McClellands examples of this trend dont simply illustrate a kind of libertarian state in which government failed to step in and lift up working people. Instead most of the examples cited from Carters deregulation of key industries, to Reagans firing of striking air traffic controllers, to Clintons decision to push through a massive trade deal that protected corporate interests while destabilizing the livelihoods of both U.S. and Mexican workers show a great deal of government intervention and activism in decisive favor of large corporations and the ownership class in general. In some cases, these interventions may have been undertaken with the best of intentions, to lower prices or promote growth, but they ultimately tipped the balance away from the middle class and people trying to work their way into it.

It is indeed a failure of government to protect the interests of ordinary Americans to achieve and hold onto a middle-class standard of living, but the problem is not passivity and a lack of intervention. Instead, as Representative Dan Kildee of Flint, Michigan notes at the end of the article: It is a myth that there is any market that is not supported or affected by the structure of government in one way or another Were picking winners and losers right now, and were picking the wrong ones. (emphasis mine)

This is important to recognize because the solutions necessary to revive and rebuild the middle class are not just choices to intervene after decades of standing by they are also choices to stop intervening in ways that actively promote corporate interests over those of working people: to stop bailing out too big to fail banks, to stop promoting secretive trade agreements that undermine workers, to stop restricting workers freedom to contract in ways that undercut the ability to build power in the workplace."
  
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Re: Putting Income Inequality in Perspective
Reply #92 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 1:46pm
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You don't think the corporatism of America, and the decline of the middle class, was "set up"? It just "emerged"?

http://www.demos.org/blog/9/20/13/what-caused-middle-class-decline

"The emphasis on government choices is important. And yet McClellands examples of this trend dont simply illustrate a kind of libertarian state in which government failed to step in and lift up working people. Instead most of the examples cited from Carters deregulation of key industries, to Reagans firing of striking air traffic controllers, to Clintons decision to push through a massive trade deal that protected corporate interests while destabilizing the livelihoods of both U.S. and Mexican workers show a great deal of government intervention and activism in decisive favor of large corporations and the ownership class in general. In some cases, these interventions may have been undertaken with the best of intentions, to lower prices or promote growth, but they ultimately tipped the balance away from the middle class and people trying to work their way into it.

It is indeed a failure of government to protect the interests of ordinary Americans to achieve and hold onto a middle-class standard of living, but the problem is not passivity and a lack of intervention. Instead, as Representative Dan Kildee of Flint, Michigan notes at the end of the article: It is a myth that there is any market that is not supported or affected by the structure of government in one way or another Were picking winners and losers right now, and were picking the wrong ones. (emphasis mine)

This is important to recognize because the solutions necessary to revive and rebuild the middle class are not just choices to intervene after decades of standing by they are also choices to stop intervening in ways that actively promote corporate interests over those of working people: to stop bailing out too big to fail banks, to stop promoting secretive trade agreements that undermine workers, to stop restricting workers freedom to contract in ways that undercut the ability to build power in the workplace."


We're not talking about corporatism writ large.

We're talking about something much more narrow- the choices and varieties of food sold.
  

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Reply #93 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 1:51pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 1:46pm:
We're not talking about corporatism writ large.

We're talking about something much more narrow- the choices and varieties of food sold.


Sorry. I was going by the topic, and your comment. My mistake.
  
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Re: Putting Income Inequality in Perspective
Reply #94 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 2:29pm
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Sorry. I was going by the topic, and your comment. My mistake.

No problemo.

Though my comment was not about corporatism writ large. Rather it was in response to Fiddler's post, which was about food narrowly.
  

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Reply #95 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 2:44pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 2:29pm:
No problemo.

Though my comment was not about corporatism writ large. Rather it was in response to Fiddler's post, which was about food narrowly.


Seriously? Fiddler used food as an example of a system to which you replied. And now you want to limit it to food?

And you wonder why I think you are stupid.
  
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Re: Putting Income Inequality in Perspective
Reply #96 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 6:34pm
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Seriously? Fiddler used food as an example of a system to which you replied. And now you want to limit it to food?


No, he was just talking about food. Full stop.

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And you wonder why I think you are stupid.

You still haven't gotten the memo.

Talk about the issues- not about the posters.

If you are typing out a post that is focused on a poster then you should pause and start over. No one cares to read that crap.
  

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Re: Putting Income Inequality in Perspective
Reply #97 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:39pm
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More of your fantasy world. 50, 100, 200, years ago the wealthy in the US paid from a 70% tax rate to all taxes paid. And it was not global trade that increased the wealth of the nation. It was the hard work of individuals. Globalism has increased the poverty in the US:

http://www.globalpost.com/special-reports/global-income-inequality-great-divide-...

The Great Divide: Global income inequality and its cost

Income inequality is surging, and there are few countries where it is rising faster than the United States. The distance between rich and poor is greater in America than nearly all other developed countries, making the US a leader in a trend that economists warn has dire consequences. This is a reporting journey to get at the ground truth of inequality through the lenses of education, race, immigration, health care, government, labor and natural resources. The hope is to hold a mirror up to the US to see how it compares to countries around the world. Presented by The GroundTruth Project and produced with support from the Ford Foundation.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/19/global-inequality-how-the-u-s-co...


I am sure you knew this you lying piece of dog shit. Not everyone is stupid, and we know what you are.

The top 10 percent of taxpayers paid over 70% of the total amount collected in federal income taxes in 2010, the latest year figures are available, according to the Tax Foundation, a think tank that advocates for lower taxes. That's up from 55% in 1986.
The remaining 90% bore just under 30% of the tax burden. And 47% of all Americans pay hardly anything at all -- a fact that got Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney into political hot water last year.
"There's been a huge myth created that the rich aren't paying anything," said William McBride, the Tax Foundation's chief economist. "The rich pay a much higher rate than the poor."

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