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Re: H.R. 4038: Vetting of Refugees
Reply #10 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 11:58pm
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Obama didn't give a damn about these people when they were being bombed for the last 2 years, and now we are supposed to believe he cares about them so much that he would risk the lives of Americans just to make this purely symbolic gesture.


This tweet says all we need to know

https://twitter.com/KellyAyotte/status/666729978344640512

The only conclusion there is to come to is that Obama wants to destabilize this country and bring it to it's knees.
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:50am
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:45pm:
Also, I have heard attacks from Clinton and Obama about folks wanting to apply a religious test.

I probably missed it, but who was it that actually proposed a religious test?  Sounds stupid...

Ted Cruz, but in his defense.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427262/refugee-religious-test-shameful-and-...
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:55am
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:55pm:
What I can't figure out is, why?

Why go to the point of veto to oppose further safety measures?

They are gung ho in support of increasingly vetting American citizens that seek to buy guns, but people coming from a war zone, and specifically a war zone that is unique in that it is widely controlled by a terrorist group that blurs the lines between state sponsored warrior and random citizen warrior, they stand in opposition.

I wish they would better explain their opposition (and maybe they have and I just missed it).


I found this possible explanation to be quite plausible...

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The Syrian refugees are most useful to the president as a symbol of his alleged cosmopolitanism and of the supposed backwardness of his opposition.


Good article, worth the read imo

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/we-have-enough-refugees-already-2...
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:03am
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My favorite paragraph was this one at the end,

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Of course, that we are discussing a Syrian refugee crisis at all is another symptom of the president’s abject failure in the Middle East. So, please, Mr. President, spare us your sanctimony and condescension.


I'm surprised that this came from Politico.  Thanks, Josie,
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:33am
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This is political suicide on a scale I have never witnessed before.
  

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #15 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:48am
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Seawolf wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:33am:
This is political suicide on a scale I have never witnessed before.


Which "this" are you talking about?
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:41am
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crepe05 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:48am:
Which "this" are you talking about?

Vetoing this bill.
  

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #17 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:02am
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:45pm:
I probably missed it, but who was it that actually proposed a religious test?  Sounds stupid...

Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush have both suggested it.

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/GOP-refugee-bill-drops-Cruz-religious...

Cruz's proposed policy of only accepting Christians ignores that Shia and Alawites are also being persecuted and killed by ISIS.
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:08am
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Josie wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:50am:

Federal law doesn't actually require a religious test as explained by several people in the comments section.

Also, McCarthy writes this: "To the contrary, the Islamic State seeks to rule Muslims, not kill or persecute them."

That's patently false. They are targeting Shia Muslims and Alawites.
  
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Reply #19 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:46am
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Demos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:08am:
Federal law doesn't actually require a religious test as explained by several people in the comments section.

Also, McCarthy writes this: "To the contrary, the Islamic State seeks to rule Muslims, not kill or persecute them."

That's patently false. They are targeting Shia Muslims and Alawites.

It does not?

"Under federal law, the executive branch [of the United States of America] is expressly required to take religion into account in determining who is granted asylum. Under the provision governing asylum (section 1158 of Title 8, US Code), an alien applying for admission must establish that … religion [among other things] ... was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant."

And it is in the federal statutes.
  

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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