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Re: H.R. 4038: Vetting of Refugees
Reply #20 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:04pm
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Seawolf wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:46am:
It does not?

"Under federal law, the executive branch [of the United States of America] is expressly required to take religion into account in determining who is granted asylum. Under the provision governing asylum (section 1158 of Title 8, US Code), an alien applying for admission must establish that religion [among other things] ... was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant."

And it is in the federal statutes.

Read the entire statute. It lists religious beliefs as one possible reason for seeking asylum, and doesn't limit that to any particular belief. It also states that the person seeking asylum must establish that as the reason. In other words, if you are seeking asylum, you have to prove that your religious beliefs could prevent you from returning to your country of origin. If you're seeking asylum for another reason - say political beliefs - there is no requirement for the federal government to find out about your religious beliefs.

So, as a Shiite Muslim from an ISIS occupied area of Syria or now from Lebanon, you could make the argument that your religious beliefs prevent you from returning home. (Exhibit 1).

McCarthy is trying to make the argument that the federal government has to create a religious test that would exclude Muslims, because "ISIS isn't trying to kill Muslims," and only allow Christians into the country. If we want a law that says that's how we're going to handle the Syrian refugees, then we have to pass one, because the current statute doesn't allow it.
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Reply #21 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 12:06am
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Josie wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:50am:


Interesting.  I think I am still with Paul Ryan on this one, with a security test, but no religious test.  For the reasons Demos pointed out.
  
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Re: H.R. 4038: Vetting of Refugees
Reply #22 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 6:33am
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It is impossible to get any background information on any of those people other than  there word for it  or waterboard them .

Obama and friends  should not allow one of these immigrants into America    if anything they should be shipped back into safe zones in syria or iraq or wherever they came from or build new camps in iraq or syria to shelter them and the ones of age who are male should be trained to fight terrorism and fight for there freedom and homelands.
  

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Re: H.R. 4038: Vetting of Refugees
Reply #23 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 6:48am
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Demos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:04pm:
Read the entire statute. It lists religious beliefs as one possible reason for seeking asylum, and doesn't limit that to any particular belief. It also states that the person seeking asylum must establish that as the reason. In other words, if you are seeking asylum, you have to prove that your religious beliefs could prevent you from returning to your country of origin. If you're seeking asylum for another reason - say political beliefs - there is no requirement for the federal government to find out about your religious beliefs.

So, as a Shiite Muslim from an ISIS occupied area of Syria or now from Lebanon, you could make the argument that your religious beliefs prevent you from returning home. (Exhibit 1).

McCarthy is trying to make the argument that the federal government has to create a religious test that would exclude Muslims, because "ISIS isn't trying to kill Muslims," and only allow Christians into the country. If we want a law that says that's how we're going to handle the Syrian refugees, then we have to pass one, because the current statute doesn't allow it.

If you subscribe to Shiria law then you should be excluded from entering into this nation.  We set the standards based on the threats.  It is not a right for people to come here, it is a privilege extended to them by this country.  That is how it needs to be looked at.
  

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Reply #24 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:15am
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I am not sure what we are trying to save ourselves from.

This world is obviously ending, and soon.  Thus, Jesus's call to not worry over the morrow is now more real than ever.

We should help who we can, while we can. 

Besides, terrorists can get here in other ways.

The Irish prophet St. Malachi said that "the leaders of the church will meet in Rome, after which there will be great and suffering, then the city will be destroyed."  (maybe not exact).

The leaders of the Catholic church, at the end of October, finished a meeting of the Pope and Bishops.

The end of the world is upon us folks, so the time to show your goodness and mercy is now...not tomorrow!
  


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Re: H.R. 4038: Vetting of Refugees
Reply #25 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:03am
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Seawolf wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 6:48am:
If you subscribe to Shiria law then you should be excluded from entering into this nation. We set the standards based on the threats. It is not a right for people to come here, it is a privilege extended to them by this country. That is how it needs to be looked at.

Then you need to pass a law saying that's how the refugees will be handled, because the law McCarthy cites doesn't allow for that.

It's currently handled on a case by case basis and the refugee has to prove that their religious beliefs will prevent them from returning to their native country (because of violence, etc. against them).

If you want a blanket proscription against certain faiths, sects, etc., then you'll need a new law for that.
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Reply #26 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:30am
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Seawolf wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:33am:
This is political suicide on a scale I have never witnessed before.


Apparently you didn't watch the last couple of GOP debates?.
  

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Reply #27 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:37am
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Interesting..
This is just like Seawolf's "Ebola's gonna kill us all" pants crapping extravaganza of last year. ..   Smiley


  

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Re: H.R. 4038: Vetting of Refugees
Reply #28 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:15am
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Fiddler wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:37am:
Interesting..
This is just like Seawolf's "Ebola's gonna kill us all" pants crapping extravaganza of last year. .. Smiley



Funny, you still have yet linked my words Sue.   Wink
  

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Re: H.R. 4038: Vetting of Refugees
Reply #29 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:18am
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Demos wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:03am:
Then you need to pass a law saying that's how the refugees will be handled, because the law McCarthy cites doesn't allow for that.

It's currently handled on a case by case basis and the refugee has to prove that their religious beliefs will prevent them from returning to their native country (because of violence, etc. against them).

If you want a blanket proscription against certain faiths, sects, etc., then you'll need a new law for that.

You don't have to, shiria is not compatable with the Constitution. Remember, the Constitution is the law of the land as was explained to the Mulslim community in Irving, Tx.
  

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