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"The Constitution is not a suicide pact"
Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:39pm
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That statement has been ascribed to various men in American history, including justice Robert Jackson and Abraham Lincoln.  The meaning of course is that rights guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution  should not be construed in such a way as to enable the destruction of the country.  (Or near destruction, or great harm.)

So that means to me that certain security measures may be taken that wouldn't be allowed in peace time.  What those measures are depends on the circumstances and the times.  E.g., George Washington had his troops search civilians suspected of being British couriers during the revolution, without a warrant.  In our own time, it has more to do with the issues dealt with in the patriot act - cell phones, etc.

Does everyone agree with this?  Note again the logic:  what meaning do constitutional rights have, if the state in which they prevail is overthrown?

  
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Re: "The Constitution is not a suicide pact"
Reply #1 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:47pm
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How about we take every citizen's gun away.  Think that would go over well?

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Re: "The Constitution is not a suicide pact"
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Greg55_99 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:47pm:
How about we take every citizen's gun away.  Think that would go over well?

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And leave everyone defenseless?  That's sort of backwards.

  
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Reply #3 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 3:10am
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Hard question??  Hokayyyyyyyyyy........... Roll Eyes


  
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Reply #4 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 3:40am
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patrick2 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:49pm:
And leave everyone defenseless?  That's sort of backwards.


If nobody had a gun then nobody would need a defense against one.
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:24am
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which is true - because before the gun was invented, there was no murder...and in places where guns are banned there is no murder and in those places the ban applies to all, including gov't employees
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:27am
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petep wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:24am:
which is true - because before the gun was invented, there was no murder...and in places where guns are banned there is no murder and in those places the ban applies to all, including gov't employees

Last year there were 16,000 murders in the U S, 11,000 by firearm.  So we could have saved 11,00 people.  Not to mention the thousands of accidental shootings.  Why is it you cons can't see anything between 0 % and 100%.  Everything is all or nothing, black or white.  One con poster on this forum a while back, said he did not believe in moral relativism.  So circumstances don't matter.  My god !
  
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Re: "The Constitution is not a suicide pact"
Reply #7 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 6:24am
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LibsRule wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:27am:
Last year there were 16,000 murders in the U S, 11,000 by firearm.  So we could have saved 11,00 people.  Not to mention the thousands of accidental shootings.  Why is it you cons can't see anything between 0 % and 100%.  Everything is all or nothing, black or white.  One con poster on this forum a while back, said he did not believe in moral relativism.  So circumstances don't matter.  My god !


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Re: "The Constitution is not a suicide pact"
Reply #8 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 6:45am
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LibsRule wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:27am:
Last year there were 16,000 murders in the U S, 11,000 by firearm.  So we could have saved 11,00 people.  Not to mention the thousands of accidental shootings.  Why is it you cons can't see anything between 0 % and 100%.  Everything is all or nothing, black or white.  One con poster on this forum a while back, said he did not believe in moral relativism.  So circumstances don't matter.  My god !

England now wants to ban knives, so explain where this stops. rocks!?  Your focus is on the tools that evil people use while ignoring the evil people.
  

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Re: "The Constitution is not a suicide pact"
Reply #9 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 8:33am
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LibsRule wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:27am:
Last year there were 16,000 murders in the U S, 11,000 by firearm.  So we could have saved 11,00 people.  Not to mention the thousands of accidental shootings.  Why is it you cons can't see anything between 0 % and 100%.  Everything is all or nothing, black or white.  One con poster on this forum a while back, said he did not believe in moral relativism.  So circumstances don't matter.  My god !


If we banned everything that killed people we'd have to ban people.
  
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