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Re: Do We Worship the Same God?
Reply #10 - Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:45pm
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Mercy For All wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 3:18pm:
Well, to counter the claim "Allah is the same as YHWH; they are the same god" with "Allah is not the same as YHWH; they are not the same god" is not equivalent to "Allah and YHWH are both different (and rival) gods."

Surely this is not difficult to understand.

What shouldn't be difficult to understand but apparently is for some people is that both Islam and Judaism are MONOTHEIST so that they both believe that there CAN'T BE TWO GODS, I.E. there can't be a different GOD.

Got it?  Roll Eyes

From a monotheist's perspective there CAN'T BE another god, it's either you believe in that god or you don't.

I don't know how make it more simplistic for you to grasp, sorry. Roll Eyes
  

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Lord Jim wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Do We Worship the Same God?
Reply #11 - Jan 1st, 2016 at 10:36am
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BowHunter wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:45pm:
What shouldn't be difficult to understand but apparently is for some people is that both Islam and Judaism are MONOTHEIST so that they both believe that there CAN'T BE TWO GODS, I.E. there can't be a different GOD.

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Yes. I do. That doesn't discount the language used--"a different god." I think everybody else understands what is meant by that. You're nit-picking.
  

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Re: Do We Worship the Same God?
Reply #13 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:06am
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God is Infinite, so obviously he can devise an endless amount of ways to approach Himself, suited to different peoples, times and places.

The obvious question is why so often different groups claim to have the sole access to truth...and lets not pretend someone has researched every religion out there, to conclude which one is 'really the right religion.'  Furthermore, as one goes back in history the amount of religions multiplies, making this task of determining which is the 'one true religion' even more difficult.

So again, why do so many different groups claim that they have the only access to the truth?

  


To say homo sapiens, is to say Homo religiosus; there is no man without God. ~Frithjof Schuon
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Reply #14 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:25am
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Frank1 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:06am:
God is Infinite, so obviously he can devise an endless amount of ways to approach Himself, suited to different peoples, times and places.


Doesn't mean that he has.

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The obvious question is why so often different groups claim to have the sole access to truth...and lets not pretend someone has researched every religion out there, to conclude which one is 'really the right religion.'


I think that's an overblown claim. How many actually claim "sole access to truth"?

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Furthermore, as one goes back in history the amount of religions multiplies, making this task of determining which is the 'one true religion' even more difficult.


I'm quite sure this is not the case.
  

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Re: Do We Worship the Same God?
Reply #15 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:53am
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Mercy For All wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:25am:
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I'm quite sure this is not the case.

His was a compound statement. What precisely is not the case?
  

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Lord Jim wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Do We Worship the Same God?
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BowHunter wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:53am:
His was a compound statement. What precisely is not the case?


"... as one goes back in history the amount of religions multiplies..."
  

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Re: Do We Worship the Same God?
Reply #17 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:34am
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Mercy For All wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:25am:
Doesn't mean that he has.


There are many ways to do everything else in this world He created, so why not many ways to approach Him?

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I think that's an overblown claim. How many actually claim "sole access to truth"?


Well, it is definitely true that primordial religions tend to be more open, though I think sometimes this openness is exaggerated.


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I'm quite sure this is not the case.


The amount of human collectivities with their own distinct religions increases as one goes father back in time.

Take pagan Europe.  The Greeks had their religion, the Roman religion had similar gods, but the Romans themselves were actually much more focused on ancestor worship, then you have the Celts with their own rites, and the Germans with theirs, etc.

True, they are all Indo-European so there were similarities in their belief systems, just like Native American religions had similarities.
  


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Re: Do We Worship the Same God?
Reply #18 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:45am
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Frank1 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:34am:
There are many ways to do everything else in this world He created, so why not many ways to approach Him?


Yeah, that sounds like a nice logical argument. That doesn't make it true.

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Well, it is definitely true that primordial religions tend to be more open, though I think sometimes this openness is exaggerated.


I don't know what you mean by "open." Again, I don't know how many religions claim to be the sole source of truth.

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The amount of human collectivities with their own distinct religions increases as one goes father back in time.

Take pagan Europe.  The Greeks had their religion, the Roman religion had similar gods, but the Romans themselves were actually much more focused on ancestor worship, then you have the Celts with their own rites, and the Germans with theirs, etc.

True, they are all Indo-European so there were similarities in their belief systems, just like Native American religions had similarities.


Most pagan religions are quite similar, and in some cases almost indistinguishable except for names, etc. Although it wouldn't be fair to say that all paganism is the same, there might be more variety in Christian expression (from Orthodox to Pentecostal to Anglican to Catholic to Armenian, etc., etc., etc.) than there is across the paganism expressed in many cultures.
  

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Re: Do We Worship the Same God?
Reply #19 - Jan 2nd, 2016 at 1:36pm
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Mercy For All wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:45am:
Yeah, that sounds like a nice logical argument. That doesn't make it true.


Just seems 'common sense' to me. 

Especially if God is Love, I am not sure why he would abandon the majority of humanity to live in falseness.

Seems rather cruel.

  


To say homo sapiens, is to say Homo religiosus; there is no man without God. ~Frithjof Schuon
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