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Re: Are You A Good Person?
Reply #120 - May 30th, 2016 at 4:49am
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Seawolf wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 7:47pm:
You did not answer my question.

You did not read my post.
  

Non sequitur:

Bert Number 49 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Are You A Good Person?
Reply #121 - May 30th, 2016 at 10:57am
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BowHunter wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 4:08pm:
Just take a (closer) look at the post to which you've so inadequately answered.

What you may consider adequate or not is not my standard.  I asked you a relevant question.  Are you going to state the same regarding the sentencing carried out by judges?  It is absolutely irrelevant whether or not you think there is a God.  There will be a day of judgement as he has promised.  The end will be your answer but there will not be any chance to rectify your refusal.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #122 - May 30th, 2016 at 1:17pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:57am:
What you may consider adequate or not is not my standard.  I asked you a relevant question.  Are you going to state the same regarding the sentencing carried out by judges?  It is absolutely irrelevant whether or not you think there is a God.  There will be a day of judgement as he has promised.  The end will be your answer but there will not be any chance to rectify your refusal.

I say that even if you admit the existence of a god, something I personally do not, the idea that that god could have moods is ridiculous. That's something that definitely qualifies as anthropomorphism, as I had said before but you likely didn't notice.
  

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Bert Number 49 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Are You A Good Person?
Reply #123 - May 30th, 2016 at 3:27pm
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BowHunter wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:17pm:
I say that even if you admit the existence of a god, something I personally do not, the idea that that god could have moods is ridiculous. That's something that definitely qualifies as anthropomorphism, as I had said before but you likely didn't notice.

Wrath is simply another word for judgement.  God having emotions, yes.  You see, he came to earth as Christ who experienced all of our emotions without sinning.  So yes, God has emotions in the sense that he dwelt among us in the flesh.  So it's a bit naive for someone to say God does not understand us.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: Are You A Good Person?
Reply #124 - May 31st, 2016 at 10:27am
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Seawolf wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:57am:
What you may consider adequate or not is not my standard.  I asked you a relevant question.  Are you going to state the same regarding the sentencing carried out by judges?  It is absolutely irrelevant whether or not you think there is a God.  There will be a day of judgement as he has promised.  The end will be your answer but there will not be any chance to rectify your refusal.



I'll answer for him, so we can move along.

Bowhunter was making the point that 'wrath' would suggest an imperfection in the person feeling it (arguable) and that therefore, if God were wrathful, He would be imperfect, which rather cuts in to one of the generally held assumptions about Him, which is that He is perfect.

Human judges - and I have met quite a few - are not held by the general population to be perfect, so the same standard does not apply.

Some judges do hold themselves to be perfect, however, one in particular that I have had dealings with had a personal smugness zone extending some 50 feet from his actual body.
  

Under Capitalism, Man exploits Man.

Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Re: Are You A Good Person?
Reply #125 - May 31st, 2016 at 11:45am
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Limey wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 10:27am:
I'll answer for him, so we can move along.

Bowhunter was making the point that 'wrath' would suggest an imperfection in the person feeling it (arguable) and that therefore, if God were wrathful, He would be imperfect, which rather cuts in to one of the generally held assumptions about Him, which is that He is perfect.

Human judges - and I have met quite a few - are not held by the general population to be perfect, so the same standard does not apply.

Some judges do hold themselves to be perfect, however, one in particular that I have had dealings with had a personal smugness zone extending some 50 feet from his actual body.

So a rapist should be able to talk his way out of the wrath of the law?  A murderer of a child should be able to draw on his past good deeds to avoid justice?  Wrath is just another way to describe justice being carried.  The full wrath of the law was felt.  If God is a just God then his law must be enforced or he can never be seen as just.  What good is a law without penalty?  How can we call a judge just if there is never justice for the victims?
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: Are You A Good Person?
Reply #126 - May 31st, 2016 at 11:22pm
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Seawolf,  mate, I don't necessarily agree with Bowhunter but you misunderstood his point and now you're misunderstanding my explanation of it.

I suspect you just skimmed over both, as they do have some "red rag" phrases and that may have channelled you a bit.

Read them (or either) again, honestly,  neither of us are saying what you think we are.

And I am only trying to clarify what he is saying!!!
  

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Re: Are You A Good Person?
Reply #127 - May 31st, 2016 at 11:23pm
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... And "wrath" is a synonym for "anger", not " justice ".
  

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Re: Are You A Good Person?
Reply #128 - Jun 1st, 2016 at 6:25am
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Limey wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 11:23pm:
... And "wrath" is a synonym for "anger", not " justice ".

Full Definition of wrath
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  strong vengeful anger or indignation

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  retributory punishment for an offense or a crime
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  divine chastisement

  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: Are You A Good Person?
Reply #129 - Jun 1st, 2016 at 6:27am
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Limey wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 11:22pm:
Seawolf,  mate, I don't necessarily agree with Bowhunter but you misunderstood his point and now you're misunderstanding my explanation of it.

I suspect you just skimmed over both, as they do have some "red rag" phrases and that may have channelled you a bit.

Read them (or either) again, honestly,  neither of us are saying what you think we are.

And I am only trying to clarify what he is saying!!!

I have already stated God has shown emotions.  It seems to slip your mind that it was God in the form of flesh, manifested in Jesus Christ.  Jesus had emotions, thus God.  The shortest verse in the Bible is "Jesus wept".
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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