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Reply #20 - May 31st, 2016 at 6:48pm
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Limey wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 10:22am:
So, asking again, if the group exercising their freedom of speech does so in a way that causes genuine alarm, distress, fear to others - say over a lengthy period, not just one event - what do you say about that?



I've addressed this before. The classic case, which still stands after thirty-nine years . It was about the planned march in Skokie, IL., a suburb of Chicago,m by a Nazi group. By any standards, this was an outrage, because thousands of Holocaust survivors dwelt there, many of whom were aged. But the ACLU, led by a Jewish lawyer, fought and won the right for the Nazis to have their march, no matter the effect on the survivors. Thousands , including my two brothers, their wives and moi ,were planning to go to protest the protest. However, after some heavy duty negotiating, the march was never held. But their right to freedom of speech was upheld by SCOTUS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-perspec-skokie-movie-2013...
  

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Reply #21 - May 31st, 2016 at 11:15pm
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Yeah. That's a narrative of something that happened.

It also elucidates the current state of the law.

I'm asking what you think.
Is it OK to offend, harass, disturb, frighten people with your obnoxious opinion just as much as it's ok to express it with some consideration and, dare we say,  manners?
  

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Reply #22 - May 31st, 2016 at 11:17pm
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fair-minded know it all wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 3:27pm:
My understanding is that it is genuine, taken from an actual rally.





I hope that guy became Minister of Justice in post-1945 Germany.
  

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Reply #23 - Jun 1st, 2016 at 7:10am
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Limey wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 11:15pm:
Yeah. That's a narrative of something that happened.

It also elucidates the current state of the law.

I'm asking what you think.
Is it OK to offend, harass, disturb, frighten people with your obnoxious opinion just as much as it's ok to express it with some consideration and, dare we say,  manners?


If you feel the need to speak about an issue , about which you are passionate, then it is your right to so do. The only thing I will admit, is one should be ready to accept practical consequences, in terms of people's reactions. But, no matter what others may think about my stated views, it is my Constitutionally Guaranteed right to say them, with very , very few restrictions, no matter how obnoxious or offensive they are to hearers.
  

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Reply #24 - Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:12am
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MikeGlosterIII wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 7:10am:
If you feel the need to speak about an issue , about which you are passionate, then it is your right to so do. The only thing I will admit, is one should be ready to accept practical consequences, in terms of people's reactions. But, no matter what others may think about my stated views, it is my Constitutionally Guaranteed right to say them, with very , very few restrictions, no matter how obnoxious or offensive they are to hearers.



OK, you are nearly managing to separate your view of what is right and wrong from what the law says.


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If you feel the need to speak about an issue , about which you are passionate, then it is your right to so do. The only thing I will admit, is one should be ready to accept practical consequences, in terms of people's reactions


Let's examine this one a bit... you appear to be saying that, if you feel an urge to say something that causes genuine alarm, fear, distress, harassment, then you will do so. However, if the person feeling these things, or suffering the harassment, decides to punch you in the teeth, that's something to be accepted as a natural consequence of what you have done, am I right?
  

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Reply #25 - Jun 1st, 2016 at 10:05am
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Limey wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:12am:
OK, you are nearly managing to separate your view of what is right and wrong from what the law says.



Let's examine this one a bit... you appear to be saying that, if you feel an urge to say something that causes genuine alarm, fear, distress, harassment, then you will do so. However, if the person feeling these things, or suffering the harassment, decides to punch you in the teeth, that's something to be accepted as a natural consequence of what you have done, am I right?



The person punching me is breaking the law and depriving me of my Constitutional right(s).  Nevertheless, one should use common sense. A BLM thug would have a Constitutionally Guaranteed right to attend a Klan rally and speak. But,, exercising that right under those circumstances would fly in the face of common sense. In such a case, one would best be prepared , as were the Nazis planning to march into Skokie in 1977. You just do not seem to grasp how much difference there is between a written Bill of Rights and a series of laws subject to the whims of a public with its finger in the air , testing from whence the PC wind of the day blows.
  

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Reply #26 - Jun 1st, 2016 at 3:13pm
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Limey wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 11:17pm:
I hope that guy became Minister of Justice in post-1945 Germany.


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