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Reply #1 - Jun 3rd, 2016 at 11:48am
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MikeGlosterIII wrote on Jun 2nd, 2016 at 9:12pm:


Sad but probably an improvement overall.

Sitting here in the sunshine,  watching my kids play in a field full of buttercups,  it's hard to feel this country is anything but a good place.

Possibly the Church is analogous to a school friend you've grown apart from.  Not in a bad way, just that the bond is broken and, with no hard feelings,  you just don't have much in common any more.
  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Reply #2 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:18am
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MikeGlosterIII wrote on Jun 2nd, 2016 at 9:12pm:


The near future will be interesting to say the least.  The secular humanist are not simply nonChristian, they are vehemently anti-Christian and hostile to the Christian worldview.  Ironically their prodigy will probably have to submit to Sharia Law.  They make concessions with false religions like Islam.
Heck, even this atheist satirist that often bashes Christianity gets it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyDfL7E1toI

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The near future will be interesting to say the least.  The secular humanist at not simply nonChristian, they are vehemently anti-Christian and hostile to the Christian worldview. 


I am a secular humanist and this is not true of me.

Nor is it true of anyone I know, and many of my friends and colleagues are also entirely non-religious.

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Ironically their prodigy will probably have to submit to Sharia Law.  They make concessions with false religions like Islam.

I assume that you mean "progeny"?

It always amuses me that guys like you can, in all seriousness, call one religion "false" and another "true".
You must realise,  intellectually,  that to an outsider there is absolutely nothing-zero, nil, nothing- to give Christianity merit over Islam? Yes?

Now, tell me how I in England will be seeing my kids* submit to Sharia law.

I await with interest. Go ahead.





* unless you really did mean "prodigy"

I don't have a prodigy.  I have a copy of the Prodigy's 1997 album "the Fat of the Land".

Nice little pop group.


  

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Limey wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 4:10pm:
I am a secular humanist and this is not true of me.

Nor is it true of anyone I know, and many of my friends and colleagues are also entirely non-religious.


Sure it is. They try to convince themselves they are simply anti-religious or anti-supernatural. In truth it's the Christian worldview that they try to repress.. That's because deep down they try to repress the truth.  Reality scares them.  The real God that will ultimately judge them.

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I assume that you mean "progeny"?


Yes, thanks for the correction.

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It always amuses me that guys like you can, in all seriousness, call one religion "false" and another "true".
You must realise,  intellectually,  that to an outsider there is absolutely nothing-zero, nil, nothing- to give Christianity merit over Islam? Yes?


What do you mean by merit?  A better moral/behavioral code? More historical proof concerning it's claim? A better track record for society's that believe or are influenced by one or the other?
Most people that pretend to reject Christianity because of their "intellectual" objections are usually lazy minded people that parrot what their favorite pundit espouses.

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Now, tell me how I in England will be seeing my kids* submit to Sharia law.

I await with interest. Go ahead.


By progeny I'm talking a couple of generations at the most.
Why will they be under Sharia Law?  The answer is simple.  Secular Humanist don't reproduce much anymore. Birthrates and the desire to have children keeps falling.  Islam in Europe have no such qualms.  The more children the merrier in their view.
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"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe - without swords, without guns, without conquests. The fifty million Muslims of Europe will turn it
into a Muslim continent within a few decades." from the Middle East Media Research Institute."





  

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fair-minded know it all wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 8:14pm:
Sure it is. They try to convince themselves they are simply anti-religious or anti-supernatural.




Who,  exactly,  is "they"? Or possibly, who, exactly,  are "they"?


No secular (I.e. non religious people) humanists (I.e. people who put human values above scripture) are out to get you. Nor out to allow Islamism. Regardless of breeding rates.


I think you are getting in to hysterical territory



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What do you mean by merit?  A better moral/behavioral code? More historical proof concerning it's claim? A better track record for society's that believe or are influenced by one or the other?



Simply believability.  Neither faith has any greater claim than the other (nor than any religion)  to truth.
You just choose which to believe and then defend it, laughably,  against the others.
  

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Limey wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:54pm:
Regardless of breeding rates.

I think you are getting in to hysterical territory


I hope you're right, but I know you're wrong. The math doesn't lie.

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Simply believability.  Neither faith has any greater claim than the other (nor than any religion)  to truth.
You just choose which to believe and then defend it, laughably,  against the others.


Grandiose statement, but simply foolish and ignorant.  You're not completely at fault.  Pundits, schools, textbooks have kept regurgitating 19th century "science" which has been thoroughly disproven by advances in paleontology, genetics, philosophy, archeology and other sciences.   Most people, like yourself have done no research of their own but simply repeat the diatribes that are popular today.  Simply giggling and calling Christianity laughable betrays a lack of critical thinking.  Take some time to actually review the facts. The stakes are to high too willfully remain in ignorance.




  

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fair-minded know it all wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 3:01pm:
I hope you're right, but I know you're wrong. The math doesn't lie.


Grandiose statement, but simply foolish and ignorant.  You're not completely at fault.  Pundits, schools, textbooks have kept regurgitating 19th century "science" which has been thoroughly disproven by advances in paleontology, genetics, philosophy, archeology and other sciences.   Most people, like yourself have done no research of their own but simply repeat the diatribes that are popular today.  Simply giggling and calling Christianity laughable betrays a lack of critical thinking.  Take some time to actually review the facts. The stakes are to high too willfully remain in ignorance.







Bahnsen was one of the mot brilliant spokesmen for Christianity. Even when I do not agree with him, he makes me think and re-think. He was a pupil of and follower of Cornelius Van Til, and his presuppositional apologetics; and he wrote the best book about his teacher, to which I constantly refer back . One cannot help just wondering what he may have accomplished, had he not died so young.
  

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Yep he was a brilliant thinker and a great debater.
  

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fair-minded know it all wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 3:01pm:
I hope you're right, but I know you're wrong. The math doesn't lie.


Where there is an increase in education and wealth, there tends to be a decrease in religious behaviour. That is broadly what has happened to the Church in England over, what, the last 100 years or so.

Probably the children of religious immigrant parents will continue this trend. You can be born in to a Christian family, or a Muslim one, that doesn't necessarily make you that religion.

Also, birth rates tend to decline as economic status rises. So, here, yes, first and second generation Bangladeshi and Pakistani immigrants tend to have larger families. The third generation, the ones I see in the pub, are all bloody lawyers and accountants and not only less religious but less fecund.


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Grandiose statement, but simply foolish and ignorant.  You're not completely at fault.  Pundits, schools, textbooks have kept regurgitating 19th century "science" which has been thoroughly disproven by advances in paleontology, genetics, philosophy, archeology and other sciences.   Most people, like yourself have done no research of their own but simply repeat the diatribes that are popular today.  Simply giggling and calling Christianity laughable betrays a lack of critical thinking.  Take some time to actually review the facts. The stakes are to high too willfully remain in ignorance.


What are you talking about?

Every single argument - every one - in support of faith is simply rearranging the same argument which is 'I believe it'.

No science, no archæology, no paleontology, no genetics has made an argument for the existence of a God as yet.

The starting point for belief is belief, not proof. All the remarkable writers who have argued for God have produced nothing - nothing at all - except variations on the theme 'I believe'. 


  

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