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Reply #80 - Jun 17th, 2016 at 3:31pm
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Frank1 wrote on Jun 16th, 2016 at 10:04am:
Lets sum up what we said so far, Limey.

You originally said an increase in education makes people secular.

I said, it depends on the type of education one receives as to whether they will turn out secular or religious.

You then said that you have religious services in English schools, I guess meaning to imply you received a religious education.

But then, the implication would be that even a religious education makes secular people!... Cheesy

Obviously a religious education does not make secular people, or everyone who went to a madrassa would come out a secular humanist, and the Amish would be raising scores of little atheists each year.  If religious education produced secular people, religion wouldn't last more than one generation, because as soon as you tried to educate anyone in a religion, they would become secular.

The only logical conclusion is that the main thrust of English education, indeed of most education in Western countries, is secular, and that with your case, the religious element was simply a small decoration on an otherwise secular construct.

You can prove anything when like you, you assume that people do everything in droves and not as individuals. Some Atheists come from homes of blind devout illuminates like you, some come from more rational environments, like 99.9 percent of the people. It's obvious that you can influence people en masse, and get good results on a large scale sometimes, but it will never be a hundred percent. Of course your simplistic views will never let you perceive that, seeing as you are pretty much nuanceless.
  

Non sequitur:

Bert and the Technicolor nuns wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Reply #81 - Jun 17th, 2016 at 4:18pm
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BowHunter wrote on Jun 17th, 2016 at 3:31pm:
You can prove anything when like you, you assume that people do everything in droves and not as individuals. Some Atheists come from homes of blind devout illuminates like you, some come from more rational environments, like 99.9 percent of the people. It's obvious that you can influence people en masse, and get good results on a large scale sometimes, but it will never be a hundred percent. Of course your simplistic views will never let you perceive that, seeing as you are pretty much nuanceless.



I never said individuals cannot deviate from the norm.  Of course they can.

We are talking about the masse, however. 

As you said, what I say about the masse is true.  Give them a religious education, most will be religious.  Give them a secular education, most will be secular. 

The outliers are only the exception that proves the rule.
  


To say homo sapiens, is to say Homo religiosus; there is no man without God. ~Frithjof Schuon
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Reply #82 - Jun 18th, 2016 at 10:00pm
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Sorry Frank, Mike, Mr. Wolf (cool name? I think so!)

Just unexpectedly got our housemove arranged, and two mammoth contracts at work, plus my brother got contact with his daughter (age 13) for first time in 6 years hooooooraaaaayyyy!!! so not fully on this engrossing thread. Plus I got a few days leave, and am drunk again. 



Try again soon, muckers.
  

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Reply #83 - Jun 18th, 2016 at 10:04pm
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Frank.?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Klimt

Especially "the Kiss".
  

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Reply #84 - Jun 18th, 2016 at 10:47pm
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Frank1 wrote on Jun 17th, 2016 at 4:18pm:
I never said individuals cannot deviate from the norm.  Of course they can.

We are talking about the masse, however. 

As you said, what I say about the masse is true.  Give them a religious education, most will be religious.  Give them a secular education, most will be secular. 

The outliers are only the exception that proves the rule.


As a quick one,

Secular education doesn't preclude religion,  does religious education preclude secular education?


As a general point... It seems obvious that Afghan madrassa s disdain physics...



Is that a good thing.
  

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Reply #85 - Jun 26th, 2016 at 9:05pm
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Bump.
  

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Reply #86 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 5:01pm
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Limey wrote on Jun 26th, 2016 at 9:05pm:
Bump.

It's the religion forum! The chances of this thread getting to the second page before the end of the year are of about one in a thousand!
  

Non sequitur:

Bert and the Technicolor nuns wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Reply #87 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 9:19am
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BowHunter wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 5:01pm:
It's the religion forum! The chances of this thread getting to the second page before the end of the year are of about one in a thousand!



I'm not sure about what you are talking, but this is the ninth page.
  

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Reply #88 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 2:25pm
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MikeGlosterIII wrote on Jun 28th, 2016 at 9:19am:
I'm not sure about what you are talking, but this is the ninth page.

The page of the forum! (sigh)

It was obvious from the context.
  

Non sequitur:

Bert and the Technicolor nuns wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Reply #89 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 5:55pm
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I think these pages should be hand-scribed by monks.

Admin? Can you fix that please.

Thank you.
  

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