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"NHexit" seizes on Brexit to demonstrate for Granite State independence
Jul 14th, 2016 at 6:35pm
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Glad to see LNF has prospered despite all the years of Fedbook.  I haven't posted probably since about 2013, but your survival has brought me back.  What are your thoughts on this:

http://www.concordmonitor.com/Manchester-NH-Foundation-for-New-Hampshire-Indepen...
which was sparked by this:
http://NHexit.com
which was sparked by, well, me. 

If I recall, LNF rules require that we post an opinion and not just a link, so one thought would be that a lot will depend on how well or badly Britain does after the Brexit and how successful the "follow up" sovereignty drives are in other parts of Europe.
  

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Re: "NHexit" seizes on Brexit to demonstrate for Granite State independence
Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 6:49pm
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I thought 600,000 men died to settle the issue of secession once and for all !
  

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Re: "NHexit" seizes on Brexit to demonstrate for Granite State independence
Reply #2 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 7:47pm
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That's like saying a bunch of Russians died in the 1940's to settle the issues of Estonian secession...once and for all.
  

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Re: "NHexit" seizes on Brexit to demonstrate for Granite State independence
Reply #3 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm
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Ridley wrote on Jul 14th, 2016 at 6:35pm:
Glad to see LNF has prospered despite all the years of Fedbook.  I haven't posted probably since about 2013, but your survival has brought me back.  What are your thoughts on this:

http://www.concordmonitor.com/Manchester-NH-Foundation-for-New-Hampshire-Indepen...
which was sparked by this:
http://NHexit.com
which was sparked by, well, me. 

If I recall, LNF rules require that we post an opinion and not just a link, so one thought would be that a lot will depend on how well or badly Britain does after the Brexit and how successful the "follow up" sovereignty drives are in other parts of Europe.

Are you Sen. Hatrack?
  


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Re: "NHexit" seizes on Brexit to demonstrate for Granite State independence
Reply #4 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 8:20pm
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Ridley wrote on Jul 14th, 2016 at 7:47pm:
That's like saying a bunch of Russians died in the 1940's to settle the issues of Estonian secession...once and for all.


So , to you , The American Civil  War was no different than Russian efforts to stop Estonian independence in WW II ? I do not even know how to even answer this !
  

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Re: "NHexit" seizes on Brexit to demonstrate for Granite State independence
Reply #5 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 10:51pm
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Oh lord. Are we going be putting state initials before the word exit? Is this the new fad? Sort of like every government scandal ending with "gate".
  

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Re: "NHexit" seizes on Brexit to demonstrate for Granite State independence
Reply #6 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 12:40am
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"ExitGate" - LOL

No I'm not Senator Hatrack...I'm just Ridley.

Did I *say* the Estonian situation was no different from the Confederate situation Mike?  While we're on the subject, what would *you* say the main differences are...what makes it okay for Baltic states to become independent but not okay for U.S. states to?
  

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Re: "NHexit" seizes on Brexit to demonstrate for Granite State independence
Reply #7 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 1:48am
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No Russians died in the 1940s over Estonian secession. 

Estonia had separated from the Russian Empire at the end of WW1 during the chaos of the October Revolution.

Estonia was occupied by the USSR in 1940.

After the Nazis pushed through Estonia in 1941, the USSR still claimed sovereignty.  They re-occupied in 1944.

The Estonians were never happy, for some inexplicable reason,  and repeated history by disentangling themselves peacefully from the Soviet Union as it unravelled from 1988-91.

I suspect Ridley was making the valid point that wars of previous generations shouldn't necessarily bind current generations to their outcome.
  

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Re: "NHexit" seizes on Brexit to demonstrate for Granite State independence
Reply #8 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 2:02am
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Limey. wrote on Jul 15th, 2016 at 1:48am:
No Russians died in the 1940s over Estonian secession. 

Estonia had separated from the Russian Empire at the end of WW1 during the chaos of the October Revolution.

Estonia was occupied by the USSR in 1940.

After the Nazis pushed through Estonia in 1941, the USSR still claimed sovereignty.  They re-occupied in 1944.

The Estonians were never happy, for some inexplicable reason,  and repeated history by disentangling themselves peacefully from the Soviet Union as it unravelled from 1988-91.

I suspect Ridley was making the valid point that wars of previous generations shouldn't necessarily bind current generations to their outcome.


Limey, this is a thread marginally about Brexit so I've been wanting to ask you what you thought of this British lady's comments since I watched this episode.  Basically she insists Brexit was about removing obstacles to free trade.



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Re: "NHexit" seizes on Brexit to demonstrate for Granite State independence
Reply #9 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 3:22am
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Brexit was about, in no particular order :

1. Dumb nationalism

2. Xenophobia

3. Misunderstood history

4. Personally ambitious politicians

5. Frustration with sluggish EU systems

6. Frustration with British inability to deal with the Anglophone world directly

The guy on your clip who said "Brexit was sold to the poor but they won't benefit"  hit it.
  

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