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Reply #30 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 7:42am
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In numerous instances the Bible contains medical information that far predates man’s actual discoveries of related principles in the field of medicine. The medical instructions given by Moses to the Israelites some 3500 years ago were not only far superior to the practices of contemporary cultures, they also exceeded medical standards practiced as recently as 100 years ago. Where did Moses get this advanced information? Following are some examples of the medical knowledge afforded the Israelites in biblical times:

Sanitary Practices

For centuries doctors denied the possibility that disease could be transmitted by invisible agents. However, in the late 19th century Louis Pasteur demonstrated in his Germ Theory of Disease that most infectious diseases were caused by microorganisms originating from outside the body. This new understanding of germs and their means of transmission led to improved sanitary standards that resulted in an enormous drop in the mortality rate. Yet these core principles of sanitation were being practiced by the Israelites thousands of years earlier.

The Israelites were instructed to wash themselves and their clothes in running water if they had a bodily discharge, if they came in contact with another person’s discharge, or if they had touched a dead human or animal carcass. They were also instructed to wash any uncovered vessels that were in the vicinity of a dead body, and if a dead carcass touched a vessel it was to be destroyed. Items recovered during war were also to be purified through either fire or running water. In addition, the Israelites were instructed to bury their human waste outside of camp, and to burn the waste of their animals (See Numbers 19:3-22, Lev. 11:1-47; 15:1-33, Deut 23:12).

These sanitary practices without question saved countless lives in the Israelite camps by protecting them against infection caused by unseen germs. Meanwhile, their Egyptian peers were dying by the thousands due to “remedies” that almost always consisted of some amount of human or animal dung1. As mentioned earlier, the sound sanitary practices that we take for granted today only began to flourish about a 100 years ago.

Bacteria

Some time after I wrote these web pages, a Bible skeptic unwittingly showed me yet another example of advanced scientific/medical knowledge in the Bible. He posted a message on a discussion board that ridiculed some verses in Leviticus 13 and 14 that mention leprosy on walls and on garments. He felt this was silly and an error since leprosy is a human disease. What this skeptic was unaware of is the fact that leprosy is a bacteria, a living organism, that certainly can survive on walls and garments! In fact, the Medic-Planet.com encyclopedia noted that leprosy “can survive three weeks or longer outside the human body, such as in dust or on clothing“2. It is no wonder that God commanded the Levitical priests to burn the garments of leprosy victims! (Leviticus 13:52)

Laws of Quarantine

In the same Med-Planet encyclopedia cited above we read that “It was not until 1873 that leprosy could be shown to be infectious rather than hereditary.“2 Of course God knew this all along, as His laws to Moses reveal (Leviticus 13, 14, 22, Numbers 19:20). His instructions regarding quarantine to prevent the spread of leprosy and other infectious diseases are nothing short of remarkable, considering that this life-saving practice was several thousand years ahead of its time. Infected persons were instructed to isolate themselves outside the camp until healed, and were to shave and wash thoroughly. The priests that administered care were instructed to change their clothes and wash thoroughly after inspecting a plague victim.

It should be re-emphasized that the Israelites were the only culture to practice quarantine until the last century, when medical advances finally demonstrated the importance of sanitation and isolation during plagues. The devastating black plague of the 14th century that claimed millions of lives was not broken until the church fathers in Vienna began encouraging the public to start following the guidelines as set forth in the Bible. The promising results in Vienna compelled other cities to follow suit, and the dreaded plague was finally eradicated3.

The First Antiseptic

Hyssop oil was charged by God to Moses to be used as a purifying agent. Hyssop oil has been shown to contain 50% antifungal and antibacterial agents (Numbers 19:18, Psalm 51:7).

Circumcision and Blood Clotting

For centuries scholars must have been perplexed by God’s law of circumcision which required the procedure to be performed on the 8th day after birth (Gen 17:12, 21:14, Lev 12:3, Luke 2:21). Medical researchers recently discovered that the two main blood clotting factors, Vitamin K and Prothrombim, reach their highest level in life, about 110% of normal, on the 8th day after birth. These blood clotting agents facilitate rapid healing and greatly reduce the chance of infection. You can verify with any Obstetrician that the 8th day of life is the ideal time for a circumcision, and that any circumcision done earlier requires an injection of Vitamin K supplement.



Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

The earliest recorded observation of the link between alcohol use and harm to the fetus was made by prison physician Dr. William Sullivan in 18994, after he noted that higher rates of stillbirth was occurring in alcoholic female prisoners. The first journal paper on the link between alcohol and harm to a fetus or FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) was published in 19685. The syndrome was officially identified and named in a 1973 paper by Drs. Kenneth Lyons Jones and David Weyhe Smith of the University of Washington Medical School6. Yet this knowledge was already conveyed in the Bible long ago, when Samson’s mother was told to avoid alcohol when she was pregnant with Samson (Judges 13:3-4).


Dietary Guidelines

By the 1980s, all the health organizations of the United States had adopted low-fat, high fiber dietary guidelines.  This was the culmination of numerous scientific studies that had demonstrated that diets high in vegetables, fruits, and grains reduced the risk of heart disease, cancer, and many other diseases.  Secular physicians generally agree that these dietary guidelines that were producing longer life spans were first developed by religious movements founded in the 1800s, particularly by the Seventh-day Adventists.  Where did the Seventh-day Adventists get their guidelines?   From a meticulous and careful study of the Bible7.  It appears man has finally caught up to the dietary recommendations given by God to the Israelites some 3500 years ago!
  


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Re: What thinkest thou, was God transgender ?
Reply #31 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 7:44am
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Yes, the Bible contained many scientific facts well before man discovered them.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: What thinkest thou, was God transgender ?
Reply #32 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 8:41am
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I don't have weeks to waste reviewing detail by detail the mountains of bullshit you've just posted. Suffice it to say that your MO ( or more likely the MO or whosever concocted this folderol) is that you take some short ambiguous verse of the bible and then make tons of deductions from it that are as far fetched as the action of attributing musical properties to a fart.

To give only one example of what you (them) did when you say that the bible contains the second principle of thermodynamic because it says that the world will eventually decay. It's like saying that my four years old understands the theory of relativity because he said that when he's playing with his toys time seems to go a lot faster than when he's doing some serious activity. So there you go! My kid knows everything about Einstein's theory! Grin

Anybody having the stomach to go through your posts will know what I mean.



All of this only proves one thing, is that you or more likely the people you've pasted the work of, have way too much time on your hands and way to narrow a vision when it comes to things found in your book. There's nothing in the bible that could be compared to even the most elementary statement of actual science.

Plus bravo for not talking about all those biblical statements that say the exact opposite of what science knows now!

Want me to paste some article about it like you did?

There's lots and lots of them on the internet.... But look whom I am telling that!
  

Non sequitur:

Bert Number 49 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: What thinkest thou, was God transgender ?
Reply #33 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 8:52am
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If you are unwilling to discuss this then cease with the whining.  Your unwillingness to discuss is your problem, not mine.  All you did in your remarks is reinforce what I already know, you have no desire to discuss facts, you just want to sit and stew, so don't waste my time IF you have no intention of an HONEST discussion.  Adults discuss, children protest.  Have a good day.
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"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: What thinkest thou, was God transgender ?
Reply #34 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 9:38am
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Seawolf wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 8:52am:
If you are unwilling to discuss this then cease with the whining.  Your unwillingness to discuss is your problem, not mine.  All you did in your remarks is reinforce what I already know, you have no desire to discuss facts, you just want to sit and stew, so don't waste my time IF you have no intention of an HONEST discussion.  Have a good day.



You didn't start any discussion. What you did is lazily dump three tons of crap that you've copied from the internet. That crap consists in loads of extrapolation over a single short ambivalent statement from the bible, the way someone would hear a fart and tell people that the farter was actually composing Beethoven ninth symphony. That's not facts, it's speculative bullshit. These allegations only serve to prove the level of delusion of the people who wrote them and furthermore of the patsies that spread them.

For instance you use the expression "the circle of the earth" as equivalent to saying that the earth is spherical but every one with two bits of education knows that a not only a circle is different from a sphere but that circle is FLAT to boot which corroborates the earlier Christian belief that the world had the shape of a disc. So affirming now that it means spherical is but a blatant lie.

And all the rest that you so lazily discharged is in the same vein, IE self-deluded bullshit. There's nothing honest about any of it.
  

Non sequitur:

Bert Number 49 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: What thinkest thou, was God transgender ?
Reply #35 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 10:16am
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Oh, so you are backwards.  You want me to type it myself personally rather then use technology to make my job of presenting my facts easier.  You want to make claims and then when I post facts from a source that makes it easy for me to assimilate without spending countless hours of researching myself, you refuse to discuss.  Do you now understand why I refer to you as"son"?  You play these silly and childish games.  You have zero honest intentions of a real discussion for fears that maybe I have valid points.  I will treat you with respect when you are willing to do the same, but don't make demands of me you are unwilling to observe yourself.  Discussion is meant as a two way street, that is what adults understand and practice.
  


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Reply #36 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 10:35am
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BowHunter wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 9:38am:
For instance you use the expression "the circle of the earth" as equivalent to saying that the earth is spherical but every one with two bits of education knows that a not only a circle is different from a sphere but that circle is FLAT to boot which corroborates the earlier Christian belief that the world had the shape of a disc. So affirming now that it means spherical is but a blatant lie.

And all the rest that you so lazily discharged is in the same vein, IE self-deluded bullshit. There's nothing honest about any of it.



The bible is quite clear that the Earth is a square.. .

Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
Ezekiel 7:2

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Wait. . . .


The bible is quite clear that the Earth is a circle . . .

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Isaiah 40:22

The bible is quite clear that the Earth is flat ... 


Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 4:8


Roll Eyes

Face it.. The bible is a collection of myths and superstitions and ANY elements that have turned out to be scientifically factual are at the very least common sense ..at the most nothing more than blind hog moments.
  

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Isaiah 40:22  It is He who sits above the circle of the earth... 

Before we even discovered that the earth is round.  If it's myth historically easy to prove, there should be no King David or Saul, no Philistine race, no Apostle Paul or any mention of Jesus.  Your so called facts have holes in it.
  


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The Bible instructed the Israelites to use running water to clean their hands, we did not realize this till the 1800's after doctors infected countless patients, the bible discusses how to get rid of waste, isolating those with infectious diseases, talked about under water streams feeding the ocean.  Those do not seem like myths to me and was taught to the Israelites thousands of years before we discovered the facts.
  


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Seawolf wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 12:36pm:
Isaiah 40:22  It is He who sits above the circle of the earth... 

Before we even discovered that the earth is round.  If it's myth historically easy to prove, there should be no King David or Saul, no Philistine race, no Apostle Paul or any mention of Jesus.  Your so called facts have holes in it.

But the Earth isn't round!!! It's spherical, as you yourself said earlier. A pillbox is round, a donut is round, and neither is spherical. All those "deductions" of yours are but dishonest exaggerations of what was essentially blind luck in a bullshit storm. As Fiddler has shown in his post, when it comes to verifiable facts, the bible contradicts itself constantly. You and your friends just pick the ones that vaguely resemble something we know today, distort them with verbiage to make them resemble further and dishonestly choose to completely ignore the rest. If that isn't blind fanaticism then I don't know what is.
  

Non sequitur:

Bert Number 49 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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