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Re: - stock market boom continues over 20,000 Dow
Reply #10 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 3:44pm
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admin wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 3:42pm:
- rising stocks dont lead to new stock issues? - ipo's? - raise capital for new or expanding businesses?

Nope.

Firms raise capital when they have an idea others are willing to invest in. IPO"s happen because a company has grown enough to go public.

None of this is a function of stock price.
  

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Re: - stock market boom continues over 20,000 Dow
Reply #11 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 3:46pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
Nope.

Firms raise capital when they have an idea others are willing to invest in. IPO"s happen because a company has grown enough to go public.

None of this is a function of stock price.

- why do IPO's increase in bull markets and fall in bear markets? - last 8 years may be an exception as stocks when up because of falling rates?
  

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Re: - stock market boom continues over 20,000 Dow
Reply #12 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 3:51pm
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admin wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 3:46pm:
- why do IPO's increase in bull markets and fall in bear markets? - last 8 years may be an exception as stocks when up because of falling rates?

Would you want to go public in a bear market? Why would you?!
  

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Reply #13 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 3:23pm
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- now over 20,600
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 3:26pm
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Thanks Obama.

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Re: - stock market boom continues over 20,000 Dow
Reply #15 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 3:31pm
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admin wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
- stock market boom continues over 20,000 Dow

- are we seeing something that is historic?

- will rising stocks drive the economy forward? - economic boom?


I don't like it - I think it's a little frothy.  And please don't use the word "historic" - it's ruined for me, because every time Hussein so much as sneezed, his lib media butt-kissers called it "historic".
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:00pm
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- stocks up 2.8 trillion dollars since Trump elected
  

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Reply #17 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:06pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:43pm:
Thanks Obama.

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Thanks Obama for a stock market rise that has barely hit main street?

At any rate, Obama deserves both less blame then the right gives him and less praise then supporters like you give him.

This is really just the effects of the Fed pumping free money into the system in unprecedented amounts, in other words, its a bubble.
  


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Re: - stock market boom continues over 20,000 Dow
Reply #18 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:10pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 3:23pm:
I read a piece on this over the weekend saying that our accounting/tax systems actively encourage automation.  If you buy robots/software/etc to get work done, you can deduct the costs, amortize them, etc.  But if you invest in training employees there's no sweet deal like that. 

And a large amount of our productivity gains have come from improved management techniques, rather than automation, but investment in such techniques is equally un-deductible.  Stuff like just-in-time delivery, small inventories, rapid customization, etc.

These are investments that preserve the labor component, and that add generously to the bottom line, but get smashed by distorted tax policies.


You also don't have to pay payroll tax on machinery.  And it doesn't require near as much cost of compliance.

One of the most risky things you can do these days is hire someone.

Perhaps the government should stop making it so risky and expensive to hire.
  
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Reply #19 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:22pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:41pm:
When the DJ went up over 120% during Obama's 8 years, weren't you guys saying that stock prices are meaningless?  Or that it was a bubble?

I'm happy to see stock prices rise, but I'd really like to see economic growth rise and disparity-of-wealth fall.


Good to see that you've come around and now support Trump.
  
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