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Reply #10 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:15am
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USyeah wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:07am:
no we need free range no gates  Cool


Free range gates are an interesting concept.
  
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Re: why Flynn-gate won't just go away
Reply #11 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:30am
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Free range gates are an interesting concept.


arent they though  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: why Flynn-gate won't just go away
Reply #12 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 1:04am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
1. Obama leveled sanctions against Russia.  Why?  Because our intel had determined that Russia had worked to interfere with US elections.

2. These sanctions involved some fairly typical diplomatic actions, like expelling diplomatic staff, shutting down a compound used by Russian staff in the US, etc.

3. Sanctions like this are typically met tit-for-tat.  The Russians were expected to respond in kind.  After a couple of days, they said they would not do so.

4. US intel services saw that as a red flag.  They began analyzing intel data to see if they could find the reason.  That is when they found the calls Flynn made to the Russian ambassador to the US.  Flynn was not in office yet, nor was Trump.

5. It is entirely appropriate and acceptable for US intel services to monitor communications of Russian diplomats.  There is no protection for such communications, nothing illegal about such monitoring, it's not even out of the ordinary.

6. The contents of the calls were to undermine the US sanctions and tell the Russians not to respond.

7. The US intel services investigated further, and found an ongoing series of contacts between Flynn and the Russian ambassador, going back to well before the US elections.  Flynn was a senior advisor to the Trump campaign at the time.

8. Now, new reports are emerging that US intel services have corroborated part of the infamous "dossier" on Trump (pee-pee gate).  They corroborated the part that involved the Trump campaign actively working with the Russians to impact US elections.  It was in that dossier, and US intel has agreed.

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So, if you are a senior US intel service leader, what would you do with this information?  Who would you bring it to?  If you knew the Trump campaign had worked with a foreign power to undermine US elections, and now Trump was in the white house, would you just bring a report to Trump himself and ask if he wanted to do anything about it?

Would you stand by, letting Flynn, Trump, and whoever else continue unhindered, after an incredibly close election, to make major changes to US policy?  Threaten to pull out of NATO?  In full knowledge that Putin had assembled "kompromat" on Trump in order to influence him?

Or would you leak it, to put a check on this extraordinary chain of events?


There is no proof of any wrong doing, if there were any to be released it would have been done under the Obama administration. Obama was aware of the intel and could have released before Trump was elected.
They have nothing.
  

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Re: why Flynn-gate won't just go away
Reply #13 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 1:10am
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Josie wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 1:04am:
There is no proof of any wrong doing, if there were any to be released it would have been done under the Obama administration. Obama was aware of the intel and could have released before Trump was elected.
They have nothing.

If they had anything they could have torpedoed Trump's campaign.
  

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Re: why Flynn-gate won't just go away
Reply #14 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 1:30am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
1. Obama leveled sanctions against Russia.  Why?  Because our intel had determined that Russia had worked to interfere with US elections.

2. These sanctions involved some fairly typical diplomatic actions, like expelling diplomatic staff, shutting down a compound used by Russian staff in the US, etc.

3. Sanctions like this are typically met tit-for-tat.  The Russians were expected to respond in kind.  After a couple of days, they said they would not do so.

4. US intel services saw that as a red flag.  They began analyzing intel data to see if they could find the reason.  That is when they found the calls Flynn made to the Russian ambassador to the US.  Flynn was not in office yet, nor was Trump.

5. It is entirely appropriate and acceptable for US intel services to monitor communications of Russian diplomats.  There is no protection for such communications, nothing illegal about such monitoring, it's not even out of the ordinary.


All good until we get to number 6.

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6. The contents of the calls were to undermine the US sanctions and tell the Russians not to respond.


If Flynn basically asked the Russians to wait or not respond it doesn't undermine the sanctions at all.  Trump has been very open since the get go about having friendlier relations with Russia, it was one of the few positives for me about him.  The sanctions are in place but I think they should be removed outright.  Trump actually wants to use them as a bargaining chip, and I disagree.

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7. The US intel services investigated further, and found an ongoing series of contacts between Flynn and the Russian ambassador, going back to well before the US elections.  Flynn was a senior advisor to the Trump campaign at the time.


Alright.  But 8 is way off.

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8. Now, new reports are emerging that US intel services have corroborated part of the infamous "dossier" on Trump (pee-pee gate).  They corroborated the part that involved the Trump campaign actively working with the Russians to impact US elections.  It was in that dossier, and US intel has agreed.


That's just simply garbage.  Absolutely wishful partisan thinking.  No evidence whatsoever of any of that.

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So, if you are a senior US intel service leader, what would you do with this information?  Who would you bring it to?  If you knew the Trump campaign had worked with a foreign power to undermine US elections, and now Trump was in the white house, would you just bring a report to Trump himself and ask if he wanted to do anything about it?


Everything there is straight up BS FC.  You're usually reasonable, but you've lost it.  You're a partisan.  Not as bad as Bama, who has completely flipped his lid, but you are not looking at anything with any semblance of reason or logic.

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Would you stand by, letting Flynn, Trump, and whoever else continue unhindered, after an incredibly close election, to make major changes to US policy?  Threaten to pull out of NATO?  In full knowledge that Putin had assembled "kompromat" on Trump in order to influence him?


Roll Eyes


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Or would you leak it, to put a check on this extraordinary chain of events?


This I agree with.  I'm very in favor of leaks, I might not fully accept them as being completely accurate, but I prefer the information to be flowing out and the discussion to be out there.
  

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Re: why Flynn-gate won't just go away
Reply #15 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:29am
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Lomelis wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 1:30am:
Alright.  But 8 is way off.


That's just simply garbage.  Absolutely wishful partisan thinking.  No evidence whatsoever of any of that.


With regard to 8:

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Washington (CNN)For the first time, US investigators say they have corroborated some of the communications detailed in a 35-page dossier compiled by a former British intelligence agent, multiple current and former US law enforcement and intelligence officials tell CNN. As CNN first reported, then-President-elect Donald Trump and President Barack Obama were briefed on the existence of the dossier prior to Trump's inauguration.

None of the newly learned information relates to the salacious allegations in the dossier. Rather it relates to conversations between foreign nationals. The dossier details about a dozen conversations between senior Russian officials and other Russian individuals. Sources would not confirm which specific conversations were intercepted or the content of those discussions due to the classified nature of US intelligence collection programs.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html

Basically, US investigators sought to confirm individual aspects of the infamous Trump Dossier.  Not the pee-pee-gate parts.  In that dossier, there were details on phone conversations between russian nationals regarding information damaging to Hillary and supporting Donald.  I don't have the dossier myself.

This would confirm that Russia was working actively to throw the US election.  Combine this with the constant contact between Flynn and the russians, and the undermining of the Obama sanctions, and you've got a strong case that Trump's team worked with Putin's team on getting him erected.
  

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Reply #16 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:43am
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More conjecture and zero proof of any wrong doing...yet. Just how does Russia make me vote for whom they want me to vote for?  Here we go again with the influencing debate.  The same influence our own dishonest media uses on us everyday.

  
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Reply #17 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:33am
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When is a gate not a gate?


When it's ajar.
  

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Reply #18 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:37am
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While news organizations had variously called it the “Michael Flynn scandal” and “Russia scandal,” Flynn’s resignation opened the floodgate, with “Kremlingate” leading the pack, notwithstanding the fact that the Kremlin already has a gate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/15/flynngate-kremling...
  
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Re: why Flynn-gate won't just go away
Reply #19 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:49am
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Bert Number 49 wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 1:10am:
If they had anything they could have torpedoed Trump's campaign.


LMAO.. You still don't get it do you Rim Shot?..


Fiddler wrote on Dec 29th, 2016 at 3:24pm:
Trump of course..  That's why Putin helped put him in office.. He knows how easily it will be to manipulate Trump.

The Russians hacked the RNC and Trump's computers months ago.  They'll start releasing the dirt leading to Trump's impeachment after the inauguration..

Of course you and the other idiots will mysteriously change your minds about how having Russians meddling in our government is a good thing.



Fiddler for the win ...

  

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