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Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:23am
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Don't know how this can be described as anything but an overthrow of our elected President by those within the Intel Agency.  This is stunning to witness and is Cold War like of communist nations, a complete usurp of our Constitution and the powers as established unlike anything we have witnessed.  The intel community has no authority to act outside the will of the people and those within the framework of authority.  Whether or not you like Trump, this is a serious abuse of our Constitution.

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Reply #1 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:27am
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:23am:
Don't know how this can be described as anything but an overthrow of our elected President by those within the Intel Agency.  This is stunning to witness and is Cold War like of communist nations, a complete usurp of our Constitution and the powers as established unlike anything we have witnessed.  The intel community has no authority to act outside the will of the people and those within the framework of authority.  Whether or not you like Trump, this is a serious abuse of our Constitution.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/15/us-spies-reportedly-keeping-intellige...



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It is a puzzler -- what to do when the elected leader appoints someone to the NSA who has been collaborating with the russians to help that leader get elected?  And when that leader's situation room has become a KGB listening post?
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:50am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:43am:
It is a puzzler -- what to do when the elected leader appoints someone to the NSA who has been collaborating with the russians to help that leader get elected?  And when that leader's situation room has become a KGB listening post?

Was there a search warrant for this tapping of his phone?  AS I have heard there was not and thus we have a violation of the law.  If they were monitoring the phone and they had identified Flynn, by law they have to immediately terminate the monitoring and then procede with a court order to further investigate.  It has also been stated that Obama sent his future Sect of State to Russia before he was voted in, yet there was none of the reaction we are witnessing and we have on video Obama sending Putin a message that he would have more room to act once elected.  My point is this, the Intel Agencies are operating outside the boundaries of the law and are intentionally sabatoging the Presidency.  That is unheard of and illegal as defined within the Constitution.
  


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forgotten centrist wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:43am:
It is a puzzler -- what to do when the elected leader appoints someone to the NSA who has been collaborating with the russians to help that leader get elected?  And when that leader's situation room has become a KGB listening post?



No more proof now then there was when the claim was first made.  Not about talking to the Russians but that they got him elected. The bigger point is what the Intelligence agencies are doing.

Cue up....but, but, but Comey...
  
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Let's also remember that the FBI stated Flynn broke no laws, so the real question is who broke the laws within the Intel community?  Only a handful of people have this sort of capability.
  


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Seawolf wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:00am:
Let's also remember that the FBI stated Flynn broke no laws, so the real question is who broke the laws within the Intel community?  Only a handful of people have this sort of capability.


Find the leak and plug it. The NY times ran two long hit pieces and devoted one sentence to saying that no laws were broken.  All innuendo on their part.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:05am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:43am:
It is a puzzler -- what to do when the elected leader appoints someone to the NSA who has been collaborating with the russians to help that leader get elected?  And when that leader's situation room has become a KGB listening post?



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Here is my lengthy reply, below:

You make that claim above, as do the democrats .. but, there is NO evidence for your claim, although, the CORRUPT liberal news media CONTINUES to PLAY to that false narrative.

What we DO know is that the leftist democrat John Podesta, .. the so called, 'progressive liberal' who was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, and the chief cook and bottle washer of the 'Center For American Progress'  Grin, a socialist inspired progressive leftist front group organization and so called, 'think-tank' -- had been hacked by the Russians.

What you must remember, however, .. unless you too have been fallen ill with convenient amnesia,  Grin is that Hillary's illegal private e-mail server, that was NOT approved or permitted, and the FBI believes Hilary's server had SUCCESSFULLY been hacked, and Hillary had LOTS of e-mail communication WITH none other than John Podesta, which very LIKELY explains HOW the Russians hacked into the democrat party.   Grin

Now, F.C., you might NOT like those FACTS, but, they ARE the FACTS regardless of whatever in the hell Flynn or anybody associated with Flynn might or might NOT have said to the Russians.

The democrat liberal socialist party and their nefarious instigating corrupt liberal news media can EITHER present any EVIDENCE of WRONGDOING by Flynn or anybody else in this FALSE NARRATIVE they CREATED to DAMAGE Trump, in the left's DESIRE to help CREATE a so called, 'scandal'.. just to taint Trump's Presidency, or they can all STFU.

The left wants a 'show trial' of sorts and some 'payback', for Hillary having to be put before Congress for her illegal e-mail server, by demanding a Congressional investigation for the supposed wrongs of Flynn etc, such is their desire to TRY to find a type of moral equivalency, where there is NO moral equivalency at all, .. as Hillary DID break the law with her ILLEGAL e-mail server, she lied to Congress, she gave false statements to the FBI, and she had somebody DESTROY material evidence, .. even AFTER a Judge ordered the evidence to be left intact. -- Hillary was GUILTY as hell, everybody KNOWS it. Just because Obama did NOT direct his Justice Dept to indict her, does NOT mean she was innocent! -- in FACT, Obama IRRESPONSIBLY and INAPPROPRIATELY weighed in by suggesting that she did NOT 'intentionally' try to put America's security at risk.

Intent does NOT matter, as she BROKE the law, period, and gave FALSE statements to the FBI etc etc. 

You fool yourself as do other democrat Hillary supporters into believing that the Russians somehow convinced people to vote for Trump, thus, implying the election outcome was illegitimate, thereby making Trump illegitimate, .. and that WORD (illegitimate) was USED well BEFORE anybody heard a damn thing about Flynn's meeting with the Russians. -- in FACT, it was the ANGRY Hillary supporters and the leftist ground operatives who VOWED they would work to OPPOSE Trump's Presidency and they had all kinds of protest marches against Trump shortly AFTER he DEFEATED Hillary Clinton!

You and others are only repeating a FALSE NARRATIVE put out by the corrupt liberal news media, suggesting that only by way of Russian hacking, was Trump able to defeat Hillary, even though, NO evidence exists.

However, there are REAMS of evidence that millions of American's detested Hillary's corrupt and dishonest past and rejected her by virtue of Hillary's SCANDALOUS past that was KNOWN and they REJECTED Obama's leftist agenda, that she promised to continue.

Did you NOT notice the MASSIVE sized Trump rallies everywhere across America, .. as opposed to Hillary's political rallies that barely filled a room?  Smiley

Hillary LOST the election on her own, along with Obama's endorsement of her.

.. And that is the REAL truth about the whole story, along with all the staged protests that started long BEFORE the Flynn affair even was known or made public!

It's all BULLCRAP designed to really hurt Trump's Presidency, .. or even an effort to have his Presidential victory OVER Hillary Clinton declared, INVALID, and for NO other real reason.












  

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Reply #8 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:20am
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What makes you think they didn't get a warrant? Your Patriot Act made warrants the easiest thing in the world. And what makes you think they were targeting Flynn? They were targeting the Russian ambassador like they're supposed to.

The leaking is a valid charge, but it's hard to prosecute whistleblowers. Good luck with that.
  

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Re: Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Reply #9 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:27am
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Hey, Seawolf!!  Nice to see you again.
  

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