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Re: Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Reply #20 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 1:14pm
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admin wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 11:51am:
- do you support the criminal leaks? - Obama holdovers involved?


I don't know that they were "criminal" .. plus you didn't seem to mind when the leaks were about Hillary?
  

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Re: Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Reply #21 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 1:15pm
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BowHunter wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 10:03am:
People are starting to realize that they've elected the Manchurian candidate.

Inexperienced candidate, yes Manchurian candidate, no that was Obama. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/07/15/obama-as-the-manchurian-candi...
  
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Re: Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Reply #22 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 1:50pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:50am:
Was there a search warrant for this tapping of his phone?  AS I have heard there was not and thus we have a violation of the law.  If they were monitoring the phone and they had identified Flynn, by law they have to immediately terminate the monitoring and then procede with a court order to further investigate.

There didn't have to be a warrant for his phone, as it was the Russian ambassador who was tapped. As such, there was not need to terminate the call. The question of where there may have been a violation of law is whether or not his name should have been redacted (this depends upon interpretation of the statute), and the leaking of his name, which is a violation of the law.

A good post that covers these issues: General Flynn and the Privacy of US Person Information Under FISA

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It has also been stated that Obama sent his future Sect of State to Russia before he was voted in, yet there was none of the reaction we are witnessing and we have on video Obama sending Putin a message that he would have more room to act once elected.

Was just listening to a good podcast on this point. In sum, Flynn's conversations with the ambassador were not a violation of the Logan Act, since he was a member of the transition team, thus he was acting under the authority of the U.S. government. 

You can listen to it here: http://www.nationalsecuritylawpodcast.com/

They addressed several legal issues regarding this situation, not just the Logan Act (Episode 4).

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My point is this, the Intel Agencies are operating outside the boundaries of the law and are intentionally sabatoging the Presidency.

If there were violations of the law, it was with regard to leaking the information, but it's also not clear that anyone currently in IC leaked the information. We do know there have been leaks from the WH and former IC officials.
  
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Re: Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Reply #23 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 2:09pm
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BowHunter wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 10:03am:
People are starting to realize that they've elected the Manchurian candidate.


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Not so, .. the REAL ''Manchurian candidate'' just finished his two-term leftist Presidency and his much hoped for White House successor got her ass defeated last November, which is exactly why the left is so disjointed and filled with so much rage and hate.   Grin
  

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Re: Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Reply #24 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 3:07am
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Demos wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
There didn't have to be a warrant for his phone, as it was the Russian ambassador who was tapped. As such, there was not need to terminate the call. The question of where there may have been a violation of law is whether or not his name should have been redacted (this depends upon interpretation of the statute), and the leaking of his name, which is a violation of the law.

A good post that covers these issues: General Flynn and the Privacy of US Person Information Under FISA

Was just listening to a good podcast on this point. In sum, Flynn's conversations with the ambassador were not a violation of the Logan Act, since he was a member of the transition team, thus he was acting under the authority of the U.S. government. 

You can listen to it here: http://www.nationalsecuritylawpodcast.com/

They addressed several legal issues regarding this situation, not just the Logan Act (Episode 4).

If there were violations of the law, it was with regard to leaking the information, but it's also not clear that anyone currently in IC leaked the information. We do know there have been leaks from the WH and former IC officials.


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Re: Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Reply #25 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:55am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:43am:
It is a puzzler -- what to do when the elected leader appoints someone to the NSA who has been collaborating with the russians to help that leader get elected?  And when that leader's situation room has become a KGB listening post?


OMG, you fell for the fake news.  You don't seem to be a "forgotten centrist".  You seem to be a "fake centrist".  Good grief!
  
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Re: Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Reply #26 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 6:00am
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:00am:
Let's also remember that the FBI stated Flynn broke no laws, so the real question is who broke the laws within the Intel community?  Only a handful of people have this sort of capability.


We need to find the leaker.  This leaking is serious business, almost as serious as hil's posting Top Secret documents on her unsecure computer, and then discussing them on that same computer.....Oh wait, forget the leaker cuz it's evidently okay to publicize any information from any Intelligence Agency.   Angry
  
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Re: Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Reply #27 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 6:03am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:20am:
What makes you think they didn't get a warrant? Your Patriot Act made warrants the easiest thing in the world. And what makes you think they were targeting Flynn? They were targeting the Russian ambassador like they're supposed to.

The leaking is a valid charge, but it's hard to prosecute whistleblowers. Good luck with that.


Not a whistleblower.  He/she is a person who puts secret intelligence out into the public forum.  I would call it a treasonous act.
  
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Re: Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Reply #28 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 6:09am
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BowHunter wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 10:03am:
People are starting to realize that they've elected the Manchurian candidate.


The only people who think that are the weeping, wailing  hil's backers who lost the election and want vengence for their own stupidity of nominating a woman who couldn't/wouldn't connect with  Mid-America, the actual heart of the nation, thank God. 

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Re: Early Stage of an Overthrow?
Reply #29 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 12:12pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:23am:
Don't know how this can be described as anything but an overthrow of our elected President by those within the Intel Agency.  This is stunning to witness and is Cold War like of communist nations, a complete usurp of our Constitution and the powers as established unlike anything we have witnessed.  The intel community has no authority to act outside the will of the people and those within the framework of authority.  Whether or not you like Trump, this is a serious abuse of our Constitution.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/15/us-spies-reportedly-keeping-intellige...

Like they over threw Richard Nixon.   Roll Eyes
  

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