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Re: Trump considers using National Guard to round up illegals.... or not?
Reply #20 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:29pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Oh.... The memo is real... but the story is fake?

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- fake news? "Trump administration is considering a proposal" - not true - why would he? - ice?
- was the memo from the leftover Obama people? - that would be interesting to know?
  

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Re: Trump considers using National Guard to round up illegals.... or not?
Reply #21 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:34pm
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admin wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:29pm:
- was the memo from the leftover Obama people?

The memo was from John Kelly - Trump's pick to head homeland security.

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- that would be interesting to know?

Pretty easy to know if you read the AP report or the memo itself. Look for the "From" line.
  
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Re: Trump considers using National Guard to round up illegals.... or not?
Reply #22 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:37pm
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admin wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:29pm:
- fake news? "Trump administration is considering a proposal" - not true - why would he? - ice?
- was the memo from the leftover Obama people? - that would be interesting to know?


Well Trump Plant Admin, you'll note the memo was generated by "The Trump People".

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Re: Trump considers using National Guard to round up illegals.... or not?
Reply #23 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:15pm
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Demos wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
You said it claimed nationalization. It doesn't. In fact, explicitly says the opposite.


Yeah, I meant to say mobilizing not nationalizing.
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You also suggested the report was making up the 100,000 numbers. It didn't.


The draft memo doesn't specify 100,000, so why does the report?

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It does talk about militarization. And given that the draft involved the National Guard in immigration enforcement, that's not an unfair characterization.


However, you've made several claims anout the AP report which aren't correct. Trying to deflect by bringing up militarization doesn't deflect from that.

Not deflecting from anything.

My issue with the AP article was that it's misleading.
The draft memo doesn't mention "round up"
The draft memo doesn't specify "100,000" NG
The draft memo doesn't say anything about Trump involvement yet w/o verifying they use a headline that states that "Trump considered"

What DHS says on the AP story:
-Memo was an early, pre-decision draft
-Wasn't taken seriously
-Kelly didn't write it
  
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Re: Trump considers using National Guard to round up illegals.... or not?
Reply #24 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:18pm
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Josie wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
Yeah, I meant to say mobilizing not nationalizing.

The draft memo doesn't specify 100,000, so why does the report?

Not deflecting from anything.

My issue with the AP article was that it's misleading.
The draft memo doesn't mention "round up"
The draft memo doesn't specify "100,000" NG
The draft memo doesn't say anything about Trump involvement yet w/o verifying they use a headline that states that "Trump considered"

What DHS says on the AP story:
-Memo was an early, pre-decision draft
-Wasn't taken seriously
-Kelly didn't write it


Josie, the memo was written by a Trump guy.  Why? 

Yes?

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Re: Trump considers using National Guard to round up illegals.... or not?
Reply #25 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:23pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
My question would be "If there were no intention of doing something like this, why the memo in the first place?"


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Why not? Using National Guard to aid ICE doesn't violate the Posse Comitatus Act so why not put all options on the table??

I actually wonder if this was a stunt to catch a leaker tho...
  
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Re: Trump considers using National Guard to round up illegals.... or not?
Reply #26 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:25pm
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Josie wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:23pm:
Why not? Using National Guard to aid ICE doesn't violate the Posse Comitatus Act so why not put all options on the table??


Then you agree the memo is real and the person that generated the memo, Gen John Kelly would not do so unless he had a reason to actually carry out the action described in the memo.  He didn't draft this thing for fun, he did it for a reason.

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Re: Trump considers using National Guard to round up illegals.... or not?
Reply #27 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:26pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:18pm:
Josie, the memo was written by a Trump guy.  Why? 

Yes?

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Maybe the AP should have asked Trump about it before claiming he himself was "considering" it...
  
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Re: Trump considers using National Guard to round up illegals.... or not?
Reply #28 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:26pm
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Josie wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Maybe the AP should have asked Trump about it before claiming he himself was "considering" it...


I'm asking YOU.

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Re: Trump considers using National Guard to round up illegals.... or not?
Reply #29 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:29pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:25pm:
Then you agree the memo is real and the person that generated the memo, Gen John Kelly would not do so unless he had a reason to actually carry out the action described in the memo.  He didn't draft this thing for fun, he did it for a reason.

Yes?

Greg

Yes the memo is real, I never disputed that... it was misrepresented, but it does exist.
Gen Kelly did not write the draft memo nor was it seriously considered.
IDK why the draft memo was written, but I would guess this kind of thing happens often but doesn't get leaked out by people trying to cause trouble for an administration.
  
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