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Is America Now, Like Rome, In A "Damned If You Do Or Damned If You Don't" Situation
Mar 12th, 2017 at 7:43am
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  Has America weakened itself so much, like Rome, that it's really now beyond repair?

Although the way it happened with Rome and America are different with some similarities , the result and vulnerability of a weak state is the same.


Just like the timeline of the fall of Rome was long, so it is for these United American states. This is why it's difficult for some to see.

The Fall of Rome, let's say was about it's last 100 years. That's a long time to fall. We may also not Fall per say, but we also won't be America anymore which is the same thing


Some huge problems for America

* Cronyism(Trump included)
* It's now 20 Trillion in national debt
* 1/3 of Americans are on some sort of Gov assistance
* Historic out of control legal immigration especially after the 1990 immigration act

What say you?
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Re: Is America Now, Like Rome, In A "Damned If You Do Or Damned If You Don't" Situation
Reply #1 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:33am
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Luther wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 7:43am:
  Has America weakened itself so much, like Rome, that it's really now beyond repair?

Although the way it happened with Rome and America are different , the result and vulnerability of a weak state is the same.


Just like the timeline of the fall of Rome was long, so it is for these United American states. This is why it's difficult for some to see.

The Fall of Rome, let's say was about it's last 100 years. That's a long time to fall. We may also not Fall per say, but we also won't be America anymore which is the same thing


Some huge problems for America

* Cronyism(Trump included)
* It's now 20 Trillion in national debt
* 1/3 of Americans are on some sort of Gov assistance
* Historic out of control legal immigration especially after the 1990 immigration act

What say you?


We have not been America for some time now. It gained momentum after the last wave of immigrants from Europe.  These were people who sought a better life and were willing to work for it.

Today's immigrants come for the freebies.  Those that do work still pledge their allegiance to their home countries.  They refuse to assimilate. I'm sure someone will provide the few rare instances when this doesn't hold true, but they are few and far between.


  
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Reply #2 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:39am
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Geri Tol wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:33am:
We have not been America for some time now. It gained momentum after the last wave of immigrants from Europe.  These were people who sought a better life and were willing to work for it.

Today's immigrants come for the freebies.  Those that do work still pledge their allegiance to their home countries.  They refuse to assimilate. I'm sure someone will provide the few rare instances when this doesn't hold true, but they are few and far between.




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We have not been America for some time now.


You got that right. I already knew that, I just wasn't writing a book Wink


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Today's immigrants come for the freebies.



I don't totally agree with that. I still think the majority have a strong work ethic. If  the government gives you freebies how can one refuse?

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They refuse to assimilate.


Its more like vain politicians, our Government and activist make them not assimilate.
  

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Luther wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:39am:
You got that right. I already knew that, I just wasn't writing a book Wink




I don't totally agree with that. I still think the majority have a strong work ethic. If  the government gives you freebies how can one refuse?


Its more like vain politicians, our Government and activist make them not assimilate.


I should have written many since some do come to work.  It is the government but we elect the same fools over and over again who create these enabling policies.  The faces are different but the ideology is always the same.



  
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Geri Tol wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:43am:
I should have written many since some do come to work.



Right, the white European immigrants back in the day didn't have liberal activist and liberal politicians in Gov wanting to give hand outs like we have today


It was sink or swim
  

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Luther wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:46am:
Right, the white European immigrants back in the day didn't have liberal activist and liberal politicians in Gov wanting to give hand outs like we have today


It was sink or swim


Not such a bad policy.  Most will learn to swim quickly when you take their life preservers away.
  
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Geri Tol wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:49am:
Not such a bad policy.  Most will learn to swim quickly when you take their life preservers away.



  Yep, I agree.  It worked as far as I'm concerned Wink
  

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Re: Is America Now, Like Rome, In A "Damned If You Do Or Damned If You Don't" Situation
Reply #7 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:01am
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Luther wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:46am:
Right, the white European immigrants back in the day didn't have liberal activist and liberal politicians in Gov wanting to give hand outs like we have today


It was sink or swim


Remember, it's only been historically recently that we have had an income tax that fed into the govt.  Prior to that, independence was primary to the vast, vast, vast, majority of people.  Those who were denied their independence were termed slaves or indentured servants, and were the financial responsibility of the "owner".  Both of these institutions (for lack of a better word) were despicable, but the govt was not involved in their care or lack thereof.

Then our govt got pushy and wanted into making the decisions for our lives but they needed money for that.  Remember, the govt doesn't produce any product to sell and profit from, so they had to figure out a way to make a profit off of the profits of the workers and the businesses.  Voila, the income tax.  That dreary process has invaded our lives.  The rest is history and the govt has been the greedy recipient of our earnings. 

Now we have become a nation of people who don't really believe that they have to work for their goods.  They believe that the govt owes them their goods, e.g. the "obamma phone", obammacare, to name a couple off the top of my head.  Ugh!  The only money that the govt has to supply those goods are the income taxes paid by fewer and fewer people.  Oh, and of course the fed tax tacked on to most of the goods that we do purchase.  Double ugh!
  
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Re: Is America Now, Like Rome, In A "Damned If You Do Or Damned If You Don't" Situation
Reply #8 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:11am
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crepe05 wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:01am:
Remember, it's only been historically recently that we have had an income tax that fed into the govt.  Prior to that, independence was primary to the vast, vast, vast, majority of people.  Those who were denied their independence were termed slaves or indentured servants, and were the financial responsibility of the "owner".  Both of these institutions (for lack of a better word) were despicable, but the govt was not involved in their care or lack thereof.

Then our govt got pushy and wanted into making the decisions for our lives but they needed money for that.  Remember, the govt doesn't produce any product to sell and profit from, so they had to figure out a way to make a profit off of the profits of the workers and the businesses.  Voila, the income tax.  That dreary process has invaded our lives.  The rest is history and the govt has been the greedy recipient of our earnings. 

Now we have become a nation of people who don't really believe that they have to work for their goods.  They believe that the govt owes them their goods, e.g. the "obamma phone", obammacare, to name a couple off the top of my head.  Ugh!  The only money that the govt has to supply those goods are the income taxes paid by fewer and fewer people.  Oh, and of course the fed tax tacked on to most of the goods that we do purchase.  Double ugh!


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Prior to that, independence was primary to the vast, vast, vast, majority of people.  Those who were denied their independence were termed slaves or indentured servants, and were the financial responsibility of the "owner".  Both of these institutions (for lack of a better word) were despicable, but the govt was not involved in their care or lack thereof.



Crepe, why did you bring up slavery? It's/was a whole another issue . Roll Eyes

Why has Trump not said anything about the very issue of the Fed income tax except tweaking it temporarily?


At least you're a thinker and your premise about the progressive Fed income tax is correct
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 8:41am
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Geri Tol wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:49am:
Not such a bad policy.  Most will learn to swim quickly when you take their life preservers away.


Smiley Smiley Smiley
  

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