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Re: Trump leaked his tax forms himself
Reply #40 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:05am
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Trump didn't release them. He left the door open, and they escaped.

Must be. FC doesn't like to talk to me. I'm just not cool enough.
  

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Reply #41 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:26am
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Harry and Bert -- I have often enjoyed your posts, and have valued your significant contributions to this forum.  It's just that in the past year or two, you've gone wicked angry with personal attacks.  Which is fine, if you're into that sort of thing.  I'm just not into that sort of thing.

If, in the current spirit of LNF reconciliation, you can see yourself following the civil discourse as modeled by most of the other conservatives here, then I'll be the first to get back into the debate arena with y'all.
  

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Reply #42 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:40am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:26am:
Harry and Bert -- I have often enjoyed your posts, and have valued your significant contributions to this forum.  It's just that in the past year or two, you've gone wicked angry with personal attacks.  Which is fine, if you're into that sort of thing.  I'm just not into that sort of thing.

If, in the current spirit of LNF reconciliation, you can see yourself following the civil discourse as modeled by most of the other conservatives here, then I'll be the first to get back into the debate arena with y'all.


You used to be a fine poster. Lately, you've given yourself over to posting outright lies.
  
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Re: Trump leaked his tax forms himself
Reply #43 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:52am
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You used to be a fine poster. Lately, you've given yourself over to posting outright lies.


See, saying "you lie!" is not actually a quality debating tactic.  I post my own analysis and interpretation of stuff all the time, and there is at least someone (besides you and Bert) who disagrees with me pretty much every time.  But most of the conservatives here on LNF are not only willing but happy to engage in some good vigorous debate.  People point out flaws in my arguments and gaps in my citations all the time.  And it's fine -- it keeps me on my toes!

But to reply to each one of my lengthy posts with a one-liner that at best ignores everything I said, and more commonly dives into personal attacks -- that's not what I come here for.  I can get that anywhere.  I get no satisfaction from that, and I find it sad that you do.  I encourage you to seek a better way.

So instead of replying to this with another inane zinger, just take a day and think about it...
  

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Re: Trump leaked his tax forms himself
Reply #44 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:54am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:38am:
- forms were stamped "Client Copy"
- white house went public even before Maddow, and had unusually quick and ready response

But more than anything else -- these 2 pages show Trump in a good light.  Why would anyone else leak them?

If they oppose Trump, why post just these 2 pages?  Why post this one year, when other years were a bit more "controversial"?  Why post something that helps him?

If they support Trump, why take a risk of leaking them without authorization?  Why risk revealing something unintended?  Why leak at all, when Trump's team had declared the matter "litigated in the election"?

No, the only one who stood to gain was Team Trump.  With this "fake leak", Trump gets mondo PR:
- "the media is illegally publishing my documents!"
- "the deep state is leaking my docs!"
- "I pay my fair share of taxes!"
- "You don't need to see my tax returns -- you've already got them!"
- "let's cut IRS funding!"
- "Dave Johnston, who wrote an unkind book about me?  He's a nobody!"
- "I won't be able to use the 'audit excuse' with my 2016 returns, but now you don't even need them anymore!"
- "what wiretapping?  what russians?  Somebody leaked my freakin' tax returns!"

If there is another reasonable explanation that a Trump opponent would have leaked this, I'm ready to hear it.


First, don't tell me, tell the person who gave them to the network. I was quoting directly from the source you used earlier. Next, you asked why would anyone else leak them, plus brought up that they didn't show any wrong doing, as though it necessarily proves a point you were making. Just because the information didn't reveal wrongdoing doesn't prove it was intentionally leaked by DT. You and others are automatically assuming there must be a bombshell negative somewhere in his taxes, simply because he hasn't released all of his returns. Well you nor anyone else here knows that. His other returns could very well be similar to those reported by MSNBC. And no, just because he hasn't released them doesn't mean otherwise.   
  
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Reply #45 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:54am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:52am:
See, saying "you lie!" is not actually a quality debating tactic.  I post my own analysis and interpretation of stuff all the time, and there is at least someone (besides you and Bert) who disagrees with me pretty much every time.  But most of the conservatives here on LNF are not only willing but happy to engage in some good vigorous debate.  People point out flaws in my arguments and gaps in my citations all the time.  And it's fine -- it keeps me on my toes!

But to reply to each one of my lengthy posts with a one-liner that at best ignores everything I said, and more commonly dives into personal attacks -- that's not what I come here for.  I can get that anywhere.  I get no satisfaction from that, and I find it sad that you do.  I encourage you to seek a better way.

So instead of replying to this with another inane zinger, just take a day and think about it...


You post your "analysis" as fact.
  
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Re: Trump leaked his tax forms himself
Reply #46 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 11:07am
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glen65 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:54am:
First, don't tell me, tell the person who gave them to the network. I was quoting directly from the source you used earlier. Next, you asked why would anyone else leak them, plus brought up that they didn't show any wrong doing, as though it necessarily proves a point you were making. Just because the information didn't reveal wrongdoing doesn't prove it was intentionally leaked by DT. You and others are automatically assuming there must be a bombshell negative somewhere in his taxes, simply because he hasn't released all of his returns. Well you nor anyone else here knows that. His other returns could very well be similar to those reported by MSNBC. And no, just because he hasn't released them doesn't mean otherwise.   


I am speculating.  I am taking the speculation by Johnston (the reporter who received the docs) to its logical conclusion, just as many of the talking heads have already done.

I'm asking for a plausible, rational reason why someone who is NOT on Team Trump would leak these docs.  There are plenty of reasons why Team Trump would do it, as I've outlined.  Give me a plausible reason why someone who is NOT on-board would undertake the risks inherent to such a leak.
  

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Re: Trump leaked his tax forms himself
Reply #47 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 11:14am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 11:07am:
I am speculating.  I am taking the speculation by Johnston (the reporter who received the docs) to its logical conclusion, just as many of the talking heads have already done.

I'm asking for a plausible, rational reason why someone who is NOT on Team Trump would leak these docs.  There are plenty of reasons why Team Trump would do it, as I've outlined.  Give me a plausible reason why someone who is NOT on-board would undertake the risks inherent to such a leak.


Yes I know you're speculating that's the problem.
  
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Re: Trump leaked his tax forms himself
Reply #48 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 11:16am
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glen65 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 11:14am:
Yes I know your speculating that's the problem.


So you do NOT have a plausible explanation for why anyone outside of Trump's own circle would "leak" these particular 2 pages.  Got it.
  

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Re: Trump leaked his tax forms himself
Reply #49 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 11:26am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 11:16am:
So you do NOT have a plausible explanation for why anyone outside of Trump's own circle would "leak" these particular 2 pages.  Got it.


You're working from the assumption they must have been cherry picked, just because they didn't reveal a negative. You nor anyone else here knows that.
  
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