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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #10 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:43pm
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I'll go left and help you out.

Trump loses again on refugee ban from certain countries.
  

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #11 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:48pm
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His big mouth and stupid statements came back to bite him in the ass. Pretty simple really. Had he not been so obvious this probably would have sailed through but no, he is on the record wanting to ban Muslims, wrote an EO that does just that and is shocked, SHOCKED! that his very words were used as proof it's a Muslim ban.


  

For too long have we sat under the thumb of mankind! The time has come to *oppose* that thumb!
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:51pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
His big mouth and stupid statements came back to bite him in the ass. Pretty simple really. Had he not been so obvious this probably would have sailed through but no, he is on the record wanting to ban Muslims, wrote an EO that does just that and is shocked, SHOCKED! that his very words were used as proof it's a Muslim ban.



Sure, but there is no such thing as a Muslim Ban. Its a refugee ban
  

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #13 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:52pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
His big mouth and stupid statements came back to bite him in the ass. Pretty simple really. Had he not been so obvious this probably would have sailed through but no, he is on the record wanting to ban Muslims, wrote an EO that does just that and is shocked, SHOCKED! that his very words were used as proof it's a Muslim ban.




Isn't it also true that the judges should have based their ruling on the the actual EO rather than what he said when he was campaigning?
  

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #14 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:55pm
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Lord Jim wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Isn't it also true that the judges should have based their ruling on the the actual EO rather than what he said when he was campaigning?


I'm no lawyer but my guess is he'll get his Muslim ban in the end based on just that. We all know it's a Muslim ban as that's what he campaigned on. But, if the courts are restricted to the EO and no other context, then he'll get his way.
  

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #15 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:55pm
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Did you know?

The ban includes Christians and Jews from those countries
  

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #16 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:56pm
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #17 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:58pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
His big mouth and stupid statements came back to bite him in the ass. Pretty simple really. Had he not been so obvious this probably would have sailed through but no, he is on the record wanting to ban Muslims, wrote an EO that does just that and is shocked, SHOCKED! that his very words were used as proof it's a Muslim ban.




Trump is obviously a dumbass. He wrote a Muslim ban that doesn't ban the vast majority of Muslims. Sheesh!
  
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #18 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 6:43pm
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The title of this thread should read 'Trump delayed again by an activist Judiciary that refuses to do their job properly and should be impeached.'
  
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #19 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 6:50pm
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While I don't really feel terribly strongly either way on this executive action (he has a point that certain countries with lacking processes make it hard to know who is coming in, I don't see this burden as being effective -- I may be wrong on that), I think the judge's logic here is problematic.

The reason is that he uses a statement Trump made in the campaign, calling for a ban on Muslims entering the country.  So, even though that goal is not obtained or even sought in this EO, the judge has interpreted it as being sought.  It seems this judge will feel the same way about ANY EO that happens to lead to the procedures being implemented with regard to any Muslims from any location, worldwide.

So if he decided to implement this EO on people coming from Britain, France, Germany and the Netherlands, this logic would say that, "since many Muslims reside in these countries, this is an attempt to ban Muslims because he said XYZ in the campaign".
  
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