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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #20 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 6:54pm
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Why is it referred to as a Muslim ban?

The largest Muslim population in a country is in Indonesia, a nation home to 12.7% of the world's Muslims, followed by Pakistan (11.0%), and India (10.9%). About 20% of Muslims live in Arab countries.

None are on the list.


In his 43-page ruling, he argued that a "reasonable, objective observer" taking into account the context of the Executive Order would conclude it "was issued with a purpose to disfavour a particular religion".

Under the revised order, citizens of six countries on the original 27 January order - Iran, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen - would once more be subject to a 90-day travel ban.
Iraq was removed from the list because its government had boosted visa screening and data sharing, White House officials said.

The revised order also lifts an indefinite ban on all Syrian refugees and says Green Card holders (legal permanent residents of the US) from the named countries will not be affected.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39287656
  
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #21 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 6:57pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
His big mouth and stupid statements came back to bite him in the ass. Pretty simple really. Had he not been so obvious this probably would have sailed through but no, he is on the record wanting to ban Muslims, wrote an EO that does just that and is shocked, SHOCKED! that his very words were used as proof it's a Muslim ban.




Yeah Right, it's his fault because idiots want to perpetuate a falsehood.
It wouldn't have made a damned bit of difference what he said.
The opposition is personal more than anything else. To call the EO a Muslim ban doesn't make sense anyway. That's because it doesn't even target the highest Muslim populated areas to begin with.      
  
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #22 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 7:07pm
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Could Someone Please Inform the Federal Judiciary That Jihadists Are Muslim?

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/445808/could-someone-please-inform-federal-...
  

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #23 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 7:14pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
I'm no lawyer but my guess is he'll get his Muslim ban in the end based on just that. We all know it's a Muslim ban as that's what he campaigned on. But, if the courts are restricted to the EO and no other context, then he'll get his way.



If it was a Muslim ban only Muslims would not be allowed in/
  

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #24 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 7:24pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
I'm no lawyer but my guess is he'll get his Muslim ban in the end based on just that. We all know it's a Muslim ban as that's what he campaigned on. But, if the courts are restricted to the EO and no other context, then he'll get his way.


If this makes it to the supremes I believe that there is an extremely good chance the ruling would be overturned.  It's an obvious case of judicial activism.  This new EO had changes that directly addressed and fixed the Constitutional issues raised in the previous ruling.  This ruling isn't based on the actual wording of the order but merely on what was said during the campaign.
  

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #25 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 7:26pm
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The DOJ will appeal this ruling. I am really surprised I haven't heard the MSM or people here discuss this. Think it will go the same in the 9th circuit this time around?
These democrat AG's have made a mistake in their filing in courts across the country instead of keeping it in one area. When there is a multiple jurisdictional dispute as we have now with 2 courts in different areas where the ruling are not identical and yet more judges in other states ready to rule on cases in front of them does anyone remember the path to appeal?
The 9th circuit probably will not be the one to hear it all the suits will be brought together for the DC circuit to hear! A liberal court yea but one that doesn't have as terrible a record of being reversed as the 9th circuit! If the DC circuit sticks to precedence and the law the judges will be overturned. This EO is almost identical to the one Obama used. You have Carter and the Iranian exchange students. History shows this used by many prior administrations. In this the law and history is in Trumps favor.
He will get his way!  Shocked Shocked
  

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #26 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 12:10am
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Trump should quit dicking around with these lower court libs - this needs to go to the USSC on an expedited basis.  If they don't uphold the president's clear constitutional right to control immigration, that would be an overturning of written fundamental law on the same level as Roe v. Wade.
  
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #27 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:01am
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Why is it referred to as a Muslim ban?

The largest Muslim population in a country is in Indonesia, a nation home to 12.7% of the world's Muslims, followed by Pakistan (11.0%), and India (10.9%). About 20% of Muslims live in Arab countries.

None are on the list.


In his 43-page ruling, he argued that a "reasonable, objective observer" taking into account the context of the Executive Order would conclude it "was issued with a purpose to disfavour a particular religion".

Under the revised order, citizens of six countries on the original 27 January order - Iran, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen - would once more be subject to a 90-day travel ban.
Iraq was removed from the list because its government had boosted visa screening and data sharing, White House officials said.

The revised order also lifts an indefinite ban on all Syrian refugees and says Green Card holders (legal permanent residents of the US) from the named countries will not be affected.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39287656


Because that's what he told Giuliani it was. 

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"I’ll tell you the whole history of it: When he first announced it, he said ‘Muslim ban,'" Giuliani said on Fox News.


His words.

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #28 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:10am
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JohnnyBgood wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
Did you know?

The ban includes Christians and Jews from those countries

No one is more discriminating of other Christians than the so called Christians themselves.

If you don't believe it, ask around about the Catholics.
  

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Bert and the Technicolor nuns wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #29 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:20am
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Trump said that his 90-day ban was to allow for better vetting practices to be put into place.  Since he's on what, day 50 of his administration?  Why not forget about the ban and just get these better vetting practices put into place?

Oh, he still needs 90 days?  If so, then either he has done squat for this critical gap in our national security for several weeks, or this ban was never about implementing better vetting.  It was just about the optics.

Just like Trump.
  

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