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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #30 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:27am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:20am:
Trump said that his 90-day ban was to allow for better vetting practices to be put into place.  Since he's on what, day 50 of his administration?  Why not forget about the ban and just get these better vetting practices put into place?

Oh, he still needs 90 days?  If so, then either he has done squat for this critical gap in our national security for several weeks, or this ban was never about implementing better vetting.  It was just about the optics.

Just like Trump.


It boils down to an issue of power at this point. If these court rulings are allowed to stand, they become precedent.
  
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #31 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:52pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 3:07pm:



We lose on ban from countries with the brainless killers that hate you because you are an infidel. It is not about Muslims, it is about terrorists. When something blows up in your city, what would you say them? I will tell you. TOO LATE. Hope your family was safe.
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #32 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:58pm
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Fiddler wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 3:17pm:
Yes.. the OP says it was stopped.   Stop being redundant. 




You are one ignorant sob Fiddler. Terrorists will be in the crowd from those countries that we want banned. We have no way to seriously vet the new comers. And we don’t need any new comers from anywhere any more. We are becoming a foreign country. Keep smoking and sniffing, it shows your intelligence.
The BS rom the politically correct liberal idiots in this country are destroying a country that once was the greatest and freest in the world. George Washington must be rolling in his grave along with all the other patriots that gave us the chance we had.
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #33 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:04pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 3:07pm:



Greg. Remember history how years ago and even some today they hate black people.
Multiply that hate by 100 and that is how those terrorist feel about all of us. It is their job to cut your head off. They are worse than the KKK a hundred years ago. Do you want to take the chance of even one sneaking in here to our country? I bet you will not answer.
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #34 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:34pm
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Lomelis wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 7:24pm:
If this makes it to the supremes I believe that there is an extremely good chance the ruling would be overturned.  It's an obvious case of judicial activism.  This new EO had changes that directly addressed and fixed the Constitutional issues raised in the previous ruling.  This ruling isn't based on the actual wording of the order but merely on what was said during the campaign.


Agreed.

Should what he said count? I'm not sure what's looked at/considered in a case like this. From a big picture perspective, it's obviously his Muslim ban. From the more narrow parameters of the EO's wording, it isn't.

Personally, I find it disheartening that he can call for a ban on a particular religion, word it so there's no religious test, get the ban passed because the campaign promises aren't considered, then claim he fulfilled his promise. :/ 

  

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #35 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:46pm
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Rodney Your Teas Ready wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Isn't it also true that the judges should have based their ruling on the the actual EO rather than what he said when he was campaigning?

Intent is a legal consideration for EOs as well as regular legislation, so statements he made suggesting that intent would have bearing. Thus, his campaign rhetoric isn't doing him any favors now.

That said, there have been issues with these rulings.
  
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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #36 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:56pm
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I take issue with the fact that he's exempting Saudi Arabia from the ban, when 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 AND their sponsor came from that country.  It doesn't square with his intended purpose, which is to protect the US from foreign terrorism.
  

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Re: Trump loses again on Muslim ban — and then makes it worse
Reply #37 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:35pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:56pm:
I take issue with the fact that he's exempting Saudi Arabia from the ban, when 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 AND their sponsor came from that country.  It doesn't square with his intended purpose, which is to protect the US from foreign terrorism.


Isn't it because the DHS determined that Saudi Arabia was not one of the countries with inadequate vetting procedures?

Also, what sense does it make to base a forward looking decision on the national origin of attackers that struck 15+years ago?
  
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