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Re: obamacare - the ultimate troll
Reply #10 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 6:22am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 10:36am:
Interesting piece in NYT today - here's a snip:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/opinion/the-original-lie-about-obamacare.html...

Basically, Obama abandoned both the Clinton model of a centrist healthcare reform "grand bargain" AND his own preference for a left-friendly "single payer for all" approach, and went with a republican solution.  It was based on ideas hatched by republicans, co-sponsored by 20 republican senators in the 90s, and implemented by Romney in MA as his signature accomplishment.

Congressional republicans decided not to embrace their own brainchild and perhaps extend their philosophical footprint within.  Instead, they opposed their own plan in Obamacare-clothes so rigidly and uniformly, that they pushed themselves much farther to the right than their own leadership ever envisioned 20 years ago.

This trumpcare bill, more than the Trump budget, will deeply undermine the republican majority in the house in 2018.



No, using others(Or you pay a fine)  to pay for others to be insured is the ultimate troll Wink
  

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Re: obamacare - the ultimate troll
Reply #11 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 6:29am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:16pm:
LOL!!!  They'll have to pass it... before they can read it!


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Here's the ultimate "We have to pass it to see whats in it" Grin

  

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Luther wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 6:29am:
Here's the ultimate "We have to pass it to see whats in it" Grin
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That's an apt definition of trump.
  

Non sequitur:

Helena Ann Basket wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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BowHunter wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 6:31am:
That's an apt definition of trump.



How many pages to ya think the Repub plan will be in comparison to the original dim plan?
  

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Luther wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 6:34am:
How many pages to ya think the Repub plan will be in comparison to the original dim plan?



Trump doesn't have a plan. He's just making shit up as he goes along.
  

Non sequitur:

Helena Ann Basket wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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BowHunter wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 6:38am:
Trump doesn't have a plan. He's just making shit up as he goes along.



Oh, he has a plan

  

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Luther wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 6:42am:
Oh, he has a plan



Yep, he has a plan all right.  He is going to take care of everybody
  

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Reply #17 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:56am
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When did the GOP bring this bill to the floor for a vote?
  

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Reply #18 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 6:13am
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
Are not democrats, now, opposing their own plan?  I think you were the one that claimed that the republican bill is basically the same thing with tax cuts for the rich, right?

That was the argument you made out of one side of your mouth, and now you are making this new one out of the other side.

Which is it?  Is the new bill basically the same thing with some tax cuts, or is it so far to the right that their party 20 years ago couldn't have envisioned it?

If it is vastly similar to Obamacare, why are the democrats so harshly opposed to it in the same way you portray republicans vis-a-vis Obamacare?  Are they making the exact same mistake?

If it isn't similar to Obamacare, where are the democrats with ideas to compromise?


Trumpcare does leave the basic obamacare footprint in place, it just waters everything down.  Instead of the individual mandate, insurance companies will put a 30% surcharge on anyone who has skipped insurance.  Instead of subsidizing insurance for the poor, it subsidizes insurance for the old.

I don't know why it would surprise you that democrats oppose watering down obamacare.  Obamacare is not at all a perfect approach -- it has needed maintenance and improvements by legislation for years.  But not in the direction of weakening everything.  For all its flaws, it has cut the rate of health cost inflation dramatically.  Fundamentally weakening it will reliably and predictably bring us back to double-digit health cost increases, just like we had before.

Also, the "watering down" in some cases is severe -- particularly with regard to subsidizing the poor.  The subsidies will drop so low that we'll be coming back to the era of bankruptcy-driven healthcare -- people will get treatment, pay as long as they can, declare bankruptcy, and those costs will be distributed to us all through higher prices.

Trumpcare is basically trying to roll back obamacare without eliminating it, and provides large tax cuts by making large subsidy cuts.  As such, it is opening itself up to attacks from left and right.

The thing is -- most of republican opposition to obamacare came about not through opposition to its core framework, but through opposition to Obama.  If obamacare had never passed, and we'd had 8 more years of massive health cost inflation, and Trump now proposed the exact same bill -- republicans would be singing hallelujah.  Finally FINALLY someone enacts a market-driven approach the way we proposed in the 90s, and the way Romney demonstrated so successfully in MA!
  

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Re: obamacare - the ultimate troll
Reply #19 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 7:44am
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Luther wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 6:22am:
No, using others(Or you pay a fine)  to pay for others to be insured is the ultimate troll Wink


That was 100% a repug idea, until the black guy made mitch shit himself.
  

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